honeybunny
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LisaC said:
Humor is very subjective... it comes in a variety of forms.
A joke or poke does not imply any lack of respect, just personal taste.
Rodeo Clown Controversy...
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Humor is very subjective... it comes in a variety of forms.
A joke or poke does not imply any lack of respect, just personal taste.
honeybunny
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ShoeDiva said:
Who gets to define the meaning of "disrespect" ? ? ?
:Ninja
ShoeDiva
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honeybunny said:LisaC said:
Humor is very subjective... it comes in a variety of forms.
A joke or poke does not imply any lack of respect, just personal taste.
I agree with you to a point. I love generic jokes (when I "get" them
) ) and jokes within circles of friends and acquaintances. I definitely see that some think things are funny that I think are not in the least so I do agree with you, but I also think some things are taken too far with "it's just a joke" attached.
Blazing Saddles
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yep, 100%. I also think intent has a major role in all of it but I'm not the one here questioning it. Based upon LisaC's post, I'm trying to see her justifications that she is putting on this. If she believes what she just posted, simply answer my question.ShoeDiva said:
honeybunny
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ShoeDiva said:
Webster's does not supersede the Constitution.
naturegirl
Rolling down the highway
Oh no! Where's RNG, you realize she hates clowns............. :snick_bunny
Blazing Saddles
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Then who decides is too far? Our govt? I think not.ShoeDiva said:honeybunny said:LisaC said:
Humor is very subjective... it comes in a variety of forms.
A joke or poke does not imply any lack of respect, just personal taste.
I agree with you to a point. I love generic jokes (when I "get" them
I definitely see that some think things are funny that I think are not in the least so I do agree with you, but I also think some things are taken too far with "it's just a joke" attached.
honeybunny
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ShoeDiva said:
Elected official power and public opinion are also two very different things...
LisaC
I'm here to spin the moral compass.
Blazing Saddles said:
I think I've answered the question at least once before... But, once again, when a joke turns into disrespect it crosses the line. There is a difference when someone makes a joke about something someone says or does versus acting like they want to have him trampled by an angry bull.
ShoeDiva
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Blazing Saddles said:Then who decides is too far? Our govt? I think not.ShoeDiva said:honeybunny said:LisaC said:
Humor is very subjective... it comes in a variety of forms.
A joke or poke does not imply any lack of respect, just personal taste.
I agree with you to a point. I love generic jokes (when I "get" them
I definitely see that some think things are funny that I think are not in the least so I do agree with you, but I also think some things are taken too far with "it's just a joke" attached.
I said, "I THINK SOME THINGS....." My opinion. Believe me I know yours varies on what is taken too far.
)Is it the show directors, supporters, etc saying it was too far? If it is them, it is their right to say what can and can not be done at their event. (Including those in office that help fund it) You would not fund or take money from a group or person that you (in your opinion) find to be disrespectful would you?
honeybunny
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LisaC said:
Or openly wishing he were shot in the head:
http://michellemalkin.com/?s=assassination+chic
And yet the media complex remained silent... :whistle
naturegirl
Rolling down the highway
What about candidate Obama calling President Bush unpatriotic and irresponsible? Did he cross the line? Was that disrespectful?
Obama calls Bush Irresponsible and Unpatriotic
Obama calls Bush Irresponsible and Unpatriotic
I'm Floored
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I really can't believe there is this much discussion about this topic. This is a freedom of speech issue. Period.
The rodeo clown was disrespectful? Maybe. Respect and disrespect can be very subjective topics - as is illustrated on this board time and time again.
Humor is also relative, and we know that what one will find funny, another will not.
We can all spend 50 pages here repeating our individual opinions, but it all comes down to freedom of speech.
The Dixie Chicks exercised their freedom of speech - albeit on a foreign stage - and those who disagreed exercised their own by "boycotting" their music in a myriad of ways.
This clown (or the company for which he works) exercised his freedom of speech by making fun of the President, as many comedians do. Some will find his work funny; others will not. But in a country that stands on personal freedom (at least right now) he should be free to do so. Banning him from work in a state or shutting down his act is NOT freedom. That is censorship. And, IMHO, an act that is degrading to not only patriotism, but also disrespectful to the office of the President of the United States. Why? He is, after all, the leader of our free nation. When acts take place limiting our freedoms, that's where the true disrespect takes place.
As far as "disrespecting" the office of President goes, I think we should be much more concerned with what those who hold the office do which compromise its integrity, rather than jokes that Americans do for a laugh. (Certain jobs that happened in the Oval Office come to mind.)
Satire. It's not everybody's taste, but I definitely think much more was made of this than should have been. Of course, that my opinion only, and yours may greatly vary.
(Disclaimer: I had a customer come into the store, so I was delayed in finishing this response. Please forgive me if I've missed other responses!)
The rodeo clown was disrespectful? Maybe. Respect and disrespect can be very subjective topics - as is illustrated on this board time and time again.
Humor is also relative, and we know that what one will find funny, another will not.
We can all spend 50 pages here repeating our individual opinions, but it all comes down to freedom of speech.
The Dixie Chicks exercised their freedom of speech - albeit on a foreign stage - and those who disagreed exercised their own by "boycotting" their music in a myriad of ways.
This clown (or the company for which he works) exercised his freedom of speech by making fun of the President, as many comedians do. Some will find his work funny; others will not. But in a country that stands on personal freedom (at least right now) he should be free to do so. Banning him from work in a state or shutting down his act is NOT freedom. That is censorship. And, IMHO, an act that is degrading to not only patriotism, but also disrespectful to the office of the President of the United States. Why? He is, after all, the leader of our free nation. When acts take place limiting our freedoms, that's where the true disrespect takes place.
As far as "disrespecting" the office of President goes, I think we should be much more concerned with what those who hold the office do which compromise its integrity, rather than jokes that Americans do for a laugh. (Certain jobs that happened in the Oval Office come to mind.)
Satire. It's not everybody's taste, but I definitely think much more was made of this than should have been. Of course, that my opinion only, and yours may greatly vary.
(Disclaimer: I had a customer come into the store, so I was delayed in finishing this response. Please forgive me if I've missed other responses!)
Blazing Saddles
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ShoeDiva
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I'm Floored said:
If it was the sponsors/directors/people paying for the rodeo that had issue with this, they have every right to. It is a reflection on them and they can decide what is or is not allowed or funny or disrespectful.
Now, maybe they should have asked what he was going to do, but it is still their show and banning him from their rodeos might be severe, but I would think still their right.
I do not see this as a freedom of speech issue, I see it as someone hired to be a clown and I did not see an actual clown in the clip I saw. (It was the director that was mad and talking about what happened)
