Paulding County is going with MotoTRBO for public safety radio system

VoicesInMyHead

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Well, from the looks of the commission agenda, Paulding County is going with a MotoTRBO digital radio system for their new public safety system. I couldn't disagree more with this decision.

First, it means that we're the ONLY county in the area that has not standardized on the P25 system, which is open and intra-agency capable. This means that agencies can network their systems together to create a large geographical radio system where you have almost no chance of losing signal. The Cobb County P25 system is a great example of this. Every agency in Cobb County, as well as Fulton and Douglasville use the system. The Western Area Regional Radio System is P25 and links Carroll, Coweta, Haralson, and Heard counties seamlessly. Any agency in any of those counties can talk to anywhere else in those counties. And what is probably the most shining example of a P25 intra-agency system is the Chattanooga Regional P25 system that links every county from North Georgia all the way through Knoxville in northeast Tennessee.

... and Paulding goes with a closed, proprietary business radio system for public safety. This means that their radios won't be able to inter-operate with any other agency in the area. It also means that they are tied into buying ONLY Motorola MotoTRBO radios, whereas you can buy any brand and any model of P25 radio and it would work on a P25 system (being an open standard). P25 means lower cost to replace radios. MotoTRBO means higher cost.

And last, but not least, this means that for all intents and purposes, the public will no longer be able to listen in on the public safety operations in the county. MotoTRBO is a closed, proprietary system by Motorola, and no commercial scanner can decode it (not even the digital ones). This means less awareness of our surroundings, less public helping out law enforcement, and less transparency in our government operations. P25 is scannable, yet encryptable for sensitive radio communications. Cobb Police, for example, encrypt their anti-drug operations communications, yet are still able to talk in-the-clear when they need to.

This is a bad decision by our commissioners.
 
I remember talking to a deputy friend awhile back who said they were pushing for this system and then he said to me and I quote, "I will be glad when we get it so it will keep nosey people like you and throughout the county from listening to the police scanner putting your noses where they don't belong", then he said "if you wanted to know what was going on in the police world, shoulda been an officer"

Good thing I know this guy pretty well cause I lit into him and told him off :tapfoot2 He said that all the officers hate the fact that we can listen cause he said there are some residents who think they are cops and think they can help when in reality they are just getting in the way.

But I disagreed with him and said not all people try to be hero's...some of us just like to listen to see what is going on in our areas where we live.
 
I'd like more information on this as well. I don't like the sound of what VIMH describes. What would be their reasoning behind this? Is the Motorola system practically free or something? Or does somebody's brother-in-law work for the people who sell the Motorolas? (I'm sure that would NEVER happen.)

And why on EARTH wouildn't the agency want to communicate with other agencies? I love the example of the Chattanooga one. That is awesome.
 
RNG said:
Good thing I know this guy pretty well cause I lit into him and told him off :tapfoot2

GOOD. What an arrogant-arse statement to make!!! Ye gods. That just sends me.
 
It is no exaggeration that the delay caused by relaying info from on scene through dispatch to other agency can be life threatening. Nevermind the reality of information being relayed inaccurately. Absolutely stupid in this day and age to go with a closed system.
 
VIMH (and anybody else who may know) - is there any way for us to comment on this? Or is it entirely the SO's purview and we're just SOL?
 
It would be interesting to see the cost comparison between this system and the open system with encryption capability. The money for the start-up cost may have been the deciding factor. Maybe.
 
RNG said:
I remember talking to a deputy friend awhile back who said they were pushing for this system and then he said to me and I quote, "I will be glad when we get it so it will keep nosey people like you and throughout the county from listening to the police scanner putting your noses where they don't belong", then he said "if you wanted to know what was going on in the police world, shoulda been an officer"

Good thing I know this guy pretty well cause I lit into him and told him off :tapfoot2 He said that all the officers hate the fact that we can listen cause he said there are some residents who think they are cops and think they can help when in reality they are just getting in the way.

But I disagreed with him and said not all people try to be hero's...some of us just like to listen to see what is going on in our areas where we live.

:eek:
 
Oh, this is just dumb, dumb, dumb. I really thought this administration would be better, more up on what's good for the community but instead we get secrecy?? Seriously, what's the big deal about people hearing transmissions?? My dad was a ham radio operator, we had a scanner going constantly, sometimes feed from other countries.

Wonder how the leadership at PCSO feels about this.
 
All kinds of bad guys listen to scanners and use what they hear to help them in their crimes. Sure, it's nice when we the people can hear what's up as well but that's not my issue. I am far less concerned about the secrecy than I am the inability to communicate with other agencies.
 
mei lan said:
VIMH (and anybody else who may know) - is there any way for us to comment on this? Or is it entirely the SO's purview and we're just SOL?
The Commissioners Work Session Agenda for today (the 10th) was posted just yesterday (the 9th), so this was very short notice. Apparently citizens can make comments, but I don't know if that has to be arranged in advance or not.

Work Session Agenda from the Paulding County website: http://www.paulding.gov/archives/38/11012%20Work%20Session%20Agenda.pdf
 
unionmom said:
All kinds of bad guys listen to scanners and use what they hear to help them in their crimes. Sure, it's nice when we the people can hear what's up as well but that's not my issue. I am far less concerned about the secrecy than I am the inability to communicate with other agencies.

I guess that's what I meant but wasn't clear. So what if others can hear them, what really matters is quicker response and communication with other agencies.
 
naturegirl said:
unionmom said:
All kinds of bad guys listen to scanners and use what they hear to help them in their crimes. Sure, it's nice when we the people can hear what's up as well but that's not my issue. I am far less concerned about the secrecy than I am the inability to communicate with other agencies.

I guess that's what I meant but wasn't clear. So what if others can hear them, what really matters is quicker response and communication with other agencies.
They could have both, though. Inter-agency communication and privacy on some channels.
 
mei lan said:
Thanks, VIMH. I'll see if I can talk to my commish in person.
I also suppose an email to the commissioners as well as your post commissioner directly couldn't hurt. I just sent email to them asking them to reconsider.
 
unionmom said:
They could have both, though. Inter-agency communication and privacy on some channels.

Yes, the P25 system that is the defacto standard supports encrypted talkgroups, keeping conversations private. Cobb Police's drug teams use this. The MotoTRBO system also provides encrypted channels, but the protocol of their digital data is proprietary and is owned solely by Motorola, and is therefore not available for scanner manufacturers to include in their radios... essentially making it unavailable to the masses.

And, of course, since MotoTRBO is not the same protocol as all of the surrounding counties' P25 systems, they will not be able to:

- interoperate directly with other agencies
- piggyback and use surrounding agencies' repeaters

The second bullet-point is one that escapes many people. With a P25 system that has been linked to the surrounding P25 systems, a Paulding County deputy who is near the border with Cobb County (for example) could transmit and be picked up on Cobb County's radio tower, which would then send the deputy's voice over the wire to Paulding County's radio site, which will then simulcast it back out to the heart of Paulding County. This *greatly* improves range and reception.

With a proprietary system, that's not going to happen.
 
When I lived in PC I always had my scanner on. I know the concerns a deputy might have with the public being able to listen, but they did have the ability to switch to another channel if needed. Also, WTH is the problem with the City of Dallas not wanting to be on the same channel/freq as PC or Hiram????? One night I was listening to a foot search in Dallas. Both Dallas & PCSO were on foot searching in the dark.............and COULD NOT communicate directly with each other!
 
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