Jeff Eberhart for Coroner

mei lan said:
newsjunky said:
A county this size needs a medical examiner not the set up we have now.

Kinda like the LE here should be able to investigate their own accidents? :rollingeyes:
They are doing more than they used to and it does take a lot of time and money to get everyone trained but I would like to see them eventually doing them all for themselves. :thumbsup

Sure, we don't lose any money in the fines having State do the wrecks here but it takes too long to get them cleared and roads open.

You know what would be fun in the meantime? Teaching our deputies how to properly direct traffic. It's amazing to see how some of them handle it. Not good. Not good at all.
 
newsjunky said:
A county this size needs a medical examiner not the set up we have now.

I don't know if I agree or disagree because other than watching Bones, I don't know squat about the difference.

I do know that the cost of a medical examiner would probably been cost prohibitive for the county given the state of the economy. Just the title of "medical examiner" sounds like it entails a lot more than just an autopsy. Because of that, I would think that in addition to having to employ a ME, but he/she would have to have a staff, expensive equipment, storage and disposal facilities (which might have EPA consequences), and who knows what else. (And this might not even eliminate the office of coroner, depending upon county/state laws). I've just spent a couple of million dollars on stuff I don't even know anything about so it's probably more cost effective to just work with a county that already has an established ME office when one is needed. Just my two cents....
 
unionmom said:
mei lan said:
newsjunky said:
A county this size needs a medical examiner not the set up we have now.

Kinda like the LE here should be able to investigate their own accidents? :rollingeyes:
They are doing more than they used to and it does take a lot of time and money to get everyone trained but I would like to see them eventually doing them all for themselves. :thumbsup

Sure, we don't lose any money in the fines having State do the wrecks here but it takes too long to get them cleared and roads open.

You know what would be fun in the meantime? Teaching our deputies how to properly direct traffic. It's amazing to see how some of them handle it. Not good. Not good at all.

Y'all just want me to come over there in 2016 and get that Sheriff's Office in shape? 8)
 
LisaC said:
newsjunky said:
A county this size needs a medical examiner not the set up we have now.

I don't know if I agree or disagree because other than watching Bones, I don't know squat about the difference.

I do know that the cost of a medical examiner would probably been cost prohibitive for the county given the state of the economy. Just the title of "medical examiner" sounds like it entails a lot more than just an autopsy. Because of that, I would think that in addition to having to employ a ME, but he/she would have to have a staff, expensive equipment, storage and disposal facilities (which might have EPA consequences), and who knows what else. (And this might not even eliminate the office of coroner, depending upon county/state laws). I've just spent a couple of million dollars on stuff I don't even know anything about so it's probably more cost effective to just work with a county that already has an established ME office when one is needed. Just my two cents....
While I always like a plan that saves taxpayer funds I worry about this county's ability to acknowledge when they need help on such things. Additionally, when starting an ME position it is not uncommon for it to be a part time gig. And it doesn't have to be that expensive ... https://www.careersingovernment.com/index.cfm?page=jobView&jobID=20400
 
Grey Colson said:
ShoeDiva said:
Madea said:
newsjunky said:
A county this size needs a medical examiner not the set up we have now.

How do you believe that would improve the set up? (I really don't mean that snarky. I'm really asking.)
How many deaths have to have an autopsy? All of those are being sent out because unless the coroner is a forensic pathologist he can't do one. (Most laws and regulations require that, though I have not confirmed that for Paulding. Most licensed doctors can do an autopsy, but I do not, or at least are not familiar with many that do.) Would it not be a better set up to have an ME as coroner for a county this size?
Nothing against Jeff, I personally agree with NJ that for our county we should have an ME, not just anyone that can get enough votes to win.

To mention a few that require autopsies:

- In custody deaths
- Some deaths that do not occur under the supervision of an attending doctor
- Suicides
- Homicides (that goes without saying)


In the early 90's, I was invited to the Cobb ME's Office by a friend of mine who left the S.O. to work for them as an investigator. He wanted me to take an open investigators position, but after visiting the place, I declined. It's not my.....thing :sick

But anyway, had I taken the position, I would actually have been doing the mechanical portion of the autopsy. The ME reviews the information gathered during the autopsy and makes a determination as to the cause of death. In smaller counties, the ME may do them all, but Cobb had too many stiffs for one guy to do.

I didn't get out of it though. While assigned to investigations, I had my FILL of attending autopsies. Even while working Internal Affairs, I had to attend those for persons who died in custody. Once again....not my thing :sick :sick :sick
That is what I was thinking, so it does seem like a lot of the deaths I hear of here would require one. :dunno
 
Grey Colson said:
unionmom said:
mei lan said:
newsjunky said:
A county this size needs a medical examiner not the set up we have now.

Kinda like the LE here should be able to investigate their own accidents? :rollingeyes:
They are doing more than they used to and it does take a lot of time and money to get everyone trained but I would like to see them eventually doing them all for themselves. :thumbsup

Sure, we don't lose any money in the fines having State do the wrecks here but it takes too long to get them cleared and roads open.

You know what would be fun in the meantime? Teaching our deputies how to properly direct traffic. It's amazing to see how some of them handle it. Not good. Not good at all.

Y'all just want me to come over there in 2016 and get that Sheriff's Office in shape? 8)
You should!
 
Okay, y'all made me use Google! Here's the text of an article from this link (http://science.howstuffworks.com/question732.htm):

While many types of medical doctors are capable of performing autopsies, most state or local government laws mandate that an appointed forensic pathologist do the work. These appointees are called medical examiners and have an official position in the county medical examiner system.

Not all counties use the medical examiner system. Some counties use coroners and a coroner's system. There are two major differences between medical examiners and coroners and their corresponding systems.

Atlanta's Fulton County Deputy Chief Medical Examiner, Dr. Eric Kiesel explains:

A medical examiner by definition is a physician ... In most cases, they are trained to be forensic pathologists... and are appointed to their positions. To be a coroner, you just have to be able to be elected to the job. You've got places where the local feed store operator is a coroner. I've got a friend out in Washington State who's a farmer, who's the coroner of his county.
Many coroners are qualified pathologists with years of experience. Some are physicians in unrelated fields. But depending on the county laws, a coroner may require no medical qualifications at all in order to perform his or her duty. This fact raises two questions:

First, why would a county opt for a coroner system over a medical examiners system if the differences in qualifications can be so great?

The answer is resources. In most rural areas, there may not be a whole lot of qualified forensic pathologists around nor the facilities needed for them to do their jobs properly. Additionally, rural areas with very little or no violent crime or unexplainable deaths don't need a full-time forensic pathologist.

The second question is: What is a feed store coroner going to do when faced with a dead body?

Dr Kiesel answers, "He's gonna go out and say, 'Well, he's dead.' That's the coroner's official duty."

The coroner is also responsible for:

•Identifying the body
•Notifying the next of kin
•Collecting and returning any personal belongings on the body to the family of the deceased
•Signing the death certificate
Some states, like Louisiana, require coroners to be forensic pathologists, but most county coroner systems do not. In the event that a non-medical coroner needs an autopsy performed, he or she can have it sent to a medical examiner. In some states, the government will provide the coroner with a medical examiner for the autopsy.
 
And our county has become too populated and, sadly, we have too many deaths now that are other than natural causes. It's just a matter of time before we need to be taking a serious look at the cost analysis for having at least a part time ME.
 
Grey Colson said:
I may not be up-to-date with his place, but I believe he no longer owns the funeral home. He may still work there, but I believe they just kept the name.

I've always liked Jeff and the boy can SANG! I've sung with him many times, or I should say in the same programs with the Joymasters. He was always supportive of the Pioneers and Zion when I was part of those groups. I used to mess with him about the funeral home business. He was always light-hearted about it.

I'd love for him to join The Hwy...Please invite him. If I happen to see him, I'll do the same ;D

It's my understanding that he's purchased the funeral home back.
 
unionmom said:
And our county has become too populated and, sadly, we have too many deaths now that are other than natural causes. It's just a matter of time before we need to be taking a serious look at the cost analysis for having at least a part time ME.
:thumbsup

Again, nothing against Jeff. I would rather just a funeral director be the coroner than the EMS owner, but I believe the time has come that an ME is needed here.
 
Madea said:
newsjunky said:
A county this size needs a medical examiner not the set up we have now.

How do you believe that would improve the set up? (I really don't mean that snarky. I'm really asking.)
Because they are trained in the medical field and have a degree in the areas of forensic medicine. That is needed to work crime scenes I believe. I think they have to call in someone from Atlanta to do that now. Please correct me me I am wrong.
 
ShoeDiva said:
Madea said:
newsjunky said:
A county this size needs a medical examiner not the set up we have now.

How do you believe that would improve the set up? (I really don't mean that snarky. I'm really asking.)
How many deaths have to have an autopsy? All of those are being sent out because unless the coroner is a forensic pathologist he can't do one. (Most laws and regulations require that, though I have not confirmed that for Paulding. Most licensed doctors can do an autopsy, but I do not, or at least are not familiar with many that do.) Would it not be a better set up to have an ME as coroner for a county this size?
Nothing against Jeff, I personally agree with NJ that for our county we should have an ME, not just anyone that can get enough votes to win.
What she said!
 
ShoeDiva said:
unionmom said:
And our county has become too populated and, sadly, we have too many deaths now that are other than natural causes. It's just a matter of time before we need to be taking a serious look at the cost analysis for having at least a part time ME.
:thumbsup

Again, nothing against Jeff. I would rather just a funeral director be the coroner than the EMS owner, but I believe the time has come that an ME is needed here.

Well, that's not gonna happen before this election. ;)
 
Madea said:
ShoeDiva said:
unionmom said:
And our county has become too populated and, sadly, we have too many deaths now that are other than natural causes. It's just a matter of time before we need to be taking a serious look at the cost analysis for having at least a part time ME.
:thumbsup

Again, nothing against Jeff. I would rather just a funeral director be the coroner than the EMS owner, but I believe the time has come that an ME is needed here.

Well, that's not gonna happen before this election. ;)
:)) True. Though it does need to be addressed at some point.
 
Madea.....how is Jeff's campaign going? All I hear around town is about Sam and that he is a nice guy so they are voting for him. Not a reason behind it, just he is a nice guy. :dunno (People do recognize Jeff's name, just not associating it with he is running. <<< obviously the ones I have spoke with.)
I think that a change might be good. Maybe he could look at having a morgue in county?
 
I've seen a lot of Jeff signs. In fact more Jeff signs than Sam ... not by a huge margin but more none the less.
 
unionmom said:
I've seen a lot of Jeff signs. In fact more Jeff signs than Sam ... not by a huge margin but more none the less.
:dunno IDK. I have asked and only had the response of," I am voting for Sam he is a guy. JE is running too?" So I guess the good thing there is they both have name recognition. :thumbsup Maybe they are seeing the signs and it is not clicking?
Do coroners have debates?
 
ShoeDiva said:
unionmom said:
I've seen a lot of Jeff signs. In fact more Jeff signs than Sam ... not by a huge margin but more none the less.
:dunno IDK. I have asked and only had the response of," I am voting for Sam he is a guy. JE is running too?" So I guess the good thing there is they both have name recognition. :thumbsup Maybe they are seeing the signs and it is not clicking?
Do coroners have debates?

What kind of questions could you ask in a coroner's debate? LOL I see a SNL skit in that question.

How do you pronounce someone dead.

Candidate A: I check for a carotid pulse using two fingers.

Candidate B. I stick a thermometer in their butt.
 
Campaign seems to be going good. Still work to do. Jeff is working hard. They are both nice guys. I like Sam, never denied that.
 
Here's a question: Other than the fact that I have an issue with Clark being the county coroner and having the county contract for EMS service, what make Eberhart a better candidate for the job? And vice versa - what makes Clark the better man? Everyone seems to think that both of these men are great guys, but who is going to do a better job for Paulding?
 
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