It\'s been awhile since we talked about this.
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Blazing Saddles
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No one deserves death, but Trayvon put himself in that situation. Consequences happen.
I'm Floored
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Madea said:
I agree. And the more that comes out about how hard the defense is working to get this evidence, it becomes apparent that the media hasn't told the whole story.
unionmom
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We'll never know for sure but my take on it ...
Zimmerman was just trying to protect his neighborhood. Not from a black guy but from somebody that he did not recognized walking through a neighborhood that had been plagued by criminal activity. In addition to not recognizing him, it was a rainy night. That is worth checking into. I believe that Trayvon didn't appreciate being followed and he challenged Zimmerman .. and it went downhill from there.
Zimmerman was just trying to protect his neighborhood. Not from a black guy but from somebody that he did not recognized walking through a neighborhood that had been plagued by criminal activity. In addition to not recognizing him, it was a rainy night. That is worth checking into. I believe that Trayvon didn't appreciate being followed and he challenged Zimmerman .. and it went downhill from there.
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unionmom said:
Yep. It's truly tragic, but I just don't buy that Zimmerman intended to murder Martin.
unionmom
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I thought the report was that he got out to try to locate him again because he had lost visual. (It's been a while so my memory may be off on that.) But just because he got out of his vehicle doesn't mean he has an ego issue. Did you see the area where they had their confrontation? There is no vehicle access and visibility is blocked by buildings.LisaC said:
Another problem with the information that is out ... we're constantly hearing that the 911 operator "told Zimmerman to stop following" Trayvon. That is simply not true. I've heard the tape and he never said to stop. He said, "we don't need you to do that." Now a guy that is anxious to go above and beyond in the protection of his neighborhood is likely not going to process that as a "stand down" but instead possibly as an "I can do even more to help."
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unionmom said:I thought the report was that he got out to try to locate him again because he had lost visual. (It's been a while so my memory may be off on that.) But just because he got out of his vehicle doesn't mean he has an ego issue. Did you see the area where they had their confrontation? There is no vehicle access and visibility is blocked by buildings.LisaC said:
(The markings on the map are not official best I can tell but the confrontation location is accurate.)
Another problem with the information that is out ... we're constantly hearing that the 911 operator "told Zimmerman to stop following" Trayvon. That is simply not true. I've heard the tape and he never said to stop. He said, "we don't need you to do that." Now a guy that is anxious to go above and beyond in the protection of his neighborhood is likely not going to process that as a "stand down" but instead possibly as an "I can do even more to help."
I agree with your analysis. I've been ridiculed for thinking the same way, but I know what I heard, and it has definitely been manipulated by (most) media outlets.
mei lan
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Der. This played right into the whole racial victimhood thing (in support of O's campaign, natch). I don't know where this guy could move to never be recognized again, but if he could, I'd sure do it if I were he. His life will never be the same. Also, the prosecutor in this case is just crazy. Geez Louise.
deewee
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The whole thing was unnecessary. Zimmerman did what he was supposed to do, by calling 911. Let the cops be the cops. His first mistake was trying to follow Travon. I'm not saying Travon is innocent, but the whole thing could have been avoided. They are both at fault for escalating the situation, and someone died. Whether it was self defense, or not, it could have been avoided.
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:agreed I believe that Z probably should not have followed T, but wasn't his subdivision one that had been robbed a few times? That knowledge and trying to make sure T did not get away (in his mind, possibly again before the police could arrive) led to a tragic event.Madea said:
unionmom
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There had been a number of criminal events in that neighborhood and Zimmerman was a member of the neighborhood watch. Now, would you want your neighborhood watch to just sit at the front of the subdivision and not do anything else? It absolutely stinks that anybody ended dead and I think Zimmerman made a bad choice for his own safety (clearly) when he exited his vehicle. Another big problem though is that apparently after Trayvon passed Zimmerman, he took off running. That just looks wrong. Still think Zimmerman should have stayed in his vehicle, though. But maybe that's just my own sense of self preservation talking.