Interesting polls

[J-man]

Good for you! Look at how many federal elections we have had in the last two decades where it was deciding which of the two party candidates were the lesser of two evils. We will face the same thing this year for president, thanks to all those who voted for Trump because they believed he got screwed in 2020. They got suckered by a con man.

I was with you through all of two sentences but then you resorted back to your rhetoric. Sorry but I’m convinced that you really do have issues dude. I’m learning to expect and ignore your ridiculous posts but some reach to a new level and deserving of a wholesome call out...the last two sentences were perfect examples. I think it actually may be you who has been suckered but again…you do you big guy.

 

[Boss 302]

I was with you through all of two sentences but then you resorted back to your rhetoric. Sorry but I’m convinced that you really do have issues dude. I’m learning to expect and ignore your ridiculous posts but some reach to a new level and deserving of a wholesome call out...the last two sentences were perfect examples. I think it actually may be you who has been suckered but again…you do you big guy.

Trump's team of lawyers claimed they had evidence that proved there was widespread cheating by the Dems, yet they couldn't produce it. Giuliani later admitted they didn't have it. He was even sued and lost $148 million to two Atlanta poll workers for defamation. Four of Trump's co-defendants agreed to plead guilty to lesser charges in exchange for fines and probation with an agreement to testify against the others. Usually the accused agree to these deals because they have seen the evidence against them and know they face much harsher sentences if found guilty in court.

68.8% of registered voters voted in the 2020 election. There was a significant increase in both Democratic and Republican turnout. The base of both parties were fired up, but the Dems have always been better at that than the Republicans. It was a record turnout, breaking the record set in 1992 of 67.7% voter turnout. The 2016 election it was 61.4% who went to the polls.

So many Trump supporters to this very day, insist it was cheating that cost him the election. Show the evidence to give me no choice but to believe it.

 

[J-man]

Trump's team of lawyers claimed they had evidence that proved there was widespread cheating by the Dems, yet they couldn't produce it. Giuliani later admitted they didn't have it. He was even sued and lost $148 million to two Atlanta poll workers for defamation. Four of Trump's co-defendants agreed to plead guilty to lesser charges in exchange for fines and probation with an agreement to testify against the others. Usually the accused agree to these deals because they have seen the evidence against them and know they face much harsher sentences if found guilty in court.

68.8% of registered voters voted in the 2020 election. There was a significant increase in both Democratic and Republican turnout. The base of both parties were fired up, but the Dems have always been better at that than the Republicans. It was a record turnout, breaking the record set in 1992 of 67.7% voter turnout. The 2016 election it was 61.4% who went to the polls.

So many Trump supporters to this very day, insist it was cheating that cost him the election. Show the evidence to give me no choice but to believe it.

I guess all the proof you need is to answer this question: Were you one of the millions who believed the “C” nonsense and voluntarily got in line for your jab and follow up boosters? If so then that explains a lot. Some people need “indisputable scientific proof” while others have the ability to use common sense. I’m pretty sure I know your answer.

 

[Boss 302]

I guess all the proof you need is to answer this question: Were you one of the millions who believed the “C” nonsense and voluntarily got in line for your jab and follow up boosters? If so then that explains a lot. Some people need “indisputable scientific proof” while others have the ability to use common sense. I’m pretty sure I know your answer.

That's a pretty inane comparison but I'll go with it. It was a know fact that people with heart and respiratory problems were dying at a higher rate from covid than those who didn't have the problems. We were aware there could be side effects from the vaccine as there are side effects for every drug whether it be prescribed or purchased OTC. We also knew those with heart and respiratory problems were getting hit the hardest with covid. My wife has a heart condition and I have a respiratory one. Then I also had to consider my father was very ill in Arizona and if I had to fly out there, I couldn't without being vaccinated.

My wife and I did get covid, but neither of us had it like those who end up in the hospital. However, three people I know who did not get vaccinated ended up in ICU nearly dying from it. They each had lingering effects from it for quite sometime after they were released from the hospital.

My wife spent 30 years of her life working as a nurse practitioner. She's very educated in her profession having a BSN, MSN, and graduated from a two year program at Emory's medical school. When it comes to the world of medicine, I would trust her before any of you. We were fully aware of the risks involved with the vaccines and based on all the known facts and medical evidence we made our decision to take the vaccines.

Those of you who decided to believe the Dems stole the election from Trump did so based upon hearsay. Hearsay is not admissible in court.
You are aware aren't you that I am not the only person who participates in this forum who had the covid vaccine. Also don't forget Trump pushed for a vaccine, had the government provide money for the research, pushed to have the vaccine released early, and had the government pay for people to receive it. He and his wife also were vaccinated. He was even booed at CPAC for saying he and his wife received the vaccinations.

Trump and his wife received coronavirus vaccine before leaving the White House. (Published 2021)

Former President Donald J. Trump and his wife, Melania, quietly received coronavirus vaccinations in January before leaving the White House, an adviser said on Monday.

www.nytimes.com

 

[cptlo]

I guess all the proof you need is to answer this question: Were you one of the millions who believed the “C” nonsense and voluntarily got in line for your jab and follow up boosters? If so then that explains a lot. Some people need “indisputable scientific proof” while others have the ability to use common sense. I’m pretty sure I know your answer.

Bashing those that got the Covid vaccine is now your strategy for defending Trump even though he is considered the 'father of the Covid vaccine'? Gee, that makes perfect common sense.

 

[Stonewall]

I had COVID March 2020 during the initial first wave. I got the vaccine and one booster even though I probably had antibodies by the time I got the vaccine. I work in a lot of healthcare facilities and it was required at that time to keep my guys employed. My mother was 90 at the time and my wife was paranoid of me bringing the virus home so I also did it for them. I did it of my own free will and don't give a tinkers damn what any politician or anti- vaxer thinks. As of now I have not grown a tail or third arm and have had zero side effects. If that is the strongest issue any candidate has they don't have much to offer in my opinion.

 

[cptlo]

Speaking of common sense, if Trump had proof that 2020 was stolen like he has said he has multiple times, common sense dictates he would have released that proof by now. He has no proof and neither does anyone else at this point.

Here's some more common sense....voting in 2020 was way too easy with mail-in voting being done all across the country. Democrats pushed mail-in voting and many Republicans, including Trump, pushed Republicans to go vote in person instead. A tiny bit of common sense would make it pretty clear which method would result in more votes.

But, hey, what do I know. I got the Covid vaccine so I'm a dumbass with an inability to use common sense. Hmmm...I wonder...does the "vaccine = inability to use common sense" thing apply to everyone like family?

 

[J-man]

Bashing those that got the Covid vaccine is now your strategy for defending Trump even though he is considered the 'father of the Covid vaccine'? Gee, that makes perfect common sense.

You can assume that if you want but what I was really doing was correlating a mindset and decision making with common measurable checkpoints. You're free to draw your own conclusions regardless of accuracy. Bashing was not the intent and my words were carefully selected as not to offend. I purposely included the word "voluntarily." Many who took it were forced or coerced, including the Queen.

 

[Guard Dad]

I got the vaccine and one booster even though I probably had antibodies by the time I got the vaccine. I work in a lot of healthcare facilities and it was required at that time to keep my guys employed.

This is one of my main gripes about the whole mess. Yes, you probably had immunity by then, and it was probably better than the vaccine. Once COVID started mutating, the vaccine wasn't very effective. Our civil rights were trampled all over because of disinformation and control. We now know that natural immunity is far more robust and lasting than the vaccines are, yet we were told different.

I'm glad you haven't had any ill effects from the vaccine, but many have, and some experts believe the side effects will get worse over time. I have a friend who developed MS after receiving the vaccine, and her doctors quietly tell her the vaccine likely caused it.

And yes, there are studies that claim the vaccines can cause neurological disorders. Europe has been better about releasing studies than we have here; the United States is still trying to push the vaccine and they are claiming it's totally safe.

 

[Guard Dad]

Speaking of common sense, if Trump had proof that 2020 was stolen like he has said he has multiple times, common sense dictates he would have released that proof by now. He has no proof and neither does anyone else at this point.

Here's some more common sense....voting in 2020 was way too easy with mail-in voting being done all across the country. Democrats pushed mail-in voting and many Republicans, including Trump, pushed Republicans to go vote in person instead. A tiny bit of common sense would make it pretty clear which method would result in more votes.

You correctly state that voting was too easy in 2020, but at the same time you seem to indicate that there was no election interference.

Forget about voting machines and hanky panky by poll workers for a moment. I've been saying all along that the overly loose mail-in ballot voting in the 2020 election was likely used for ballot harvesting and other fraud, and there is plenty of indication of this. Here in Georgia, Stacy Abrams and her people likely churned out many thousands of fraudulent votes. She even bragged about it.

But how do we "prove" election fraud when it was perpetuated by the various states? Meaning...it was legal at that period of time because of COVID. Here in Georgia it's been said that Raffy didn't have the legal authority to approve mail-in voting on his own, and the general assembly took away a lot of his power after that; but nothing was done about it.

Just because it was somewhat legal at the time doesn't mean it was right, and it doesn't mean there wasn't election fraud. You seem open to the possibility of mail-in voting being abused, and you even hint that it likely benefited Democrats more than Republicans. Yet you also seem unwilling to call that election fraud.

Although mail-in voting survives (and I think it shouldn't), Georgia has taken definite steps to clean it up and add a means of verifying the votes. Does that not indicate that there was a problem before?

 

[Guard Dad]

I will add...when some of us talk about election fraud, it's not just about Trump.

Regardless of which party or candidate you support, you should expect our government to hold free and fair elections with no dirty stuff going on.

Issues like mail-in voting are still a concern, in my opinion. And remember, there are more elections down the road that Donald Trump will not be a part of. Hopefully, DeSantis will run again in 2028, and I will still demand election integrity from our government, same as I do now.

 

[Boss 302]

You correctly state that voting was too easy in 2020, but at the same time you seem to indicate that there was no election interference.

Forget about voting machines and hanky panky by poll workers for a moment. I've been saying all along that the overly loose mail-in ballot voting in the 2020 election was likely used for ballot harvesting and other fraud, and there is plenty of indication of this. Here in Georgia, Stacy Abrams and her people likely churned out many thousands of fraudulent votes. She even bragged about it.

Show us the proof.

But how do we "prove" election fraud when it was perpetuated by the various states? Meaning...it was legal at that period of time because of COVID. Here in Georgia it's been said that Raffy didn't have the legal authority to approve mail-in voting on his own, and the general assembly took away a lot of his power after that; but nothing was done about it.

Trumps team of lawyers led by Rudy G claimed they had evidence to prove the fraud. Rudy later admitted there wasn't any.

Just because it was somewhat legal at the time doesn't mean it was right, and it doesn't mean there wasn't election fraud. You seem open to the possibility of mail-in voting being abused, and you even hint that it likely benefited Democrats more than Republicans. Yet you also seem unwilling to call that election fraud.

Although mail-in voting survives (and I think it shouldn't), Georgia has taken definite steps to clean it up and add a means of verifying the votes. Does that not indicate that there was a problem before?

Again, you have brought forth nothing but conjecture and hearsay. Where's the evidence to prove what you're saying is true? You so desperately want to believe Trump lost because of cheating that you will grasp at any straw to try to prove you are right. Good grief man, get a grip on reality.

 

[cptlo]

You correctly state that voting was too easy in 2020, but at the same time you seem to indicate that there was no election interference.

As I've stated on here in the past, every single national election has some level of fraud or interference. Every single one. I'm still waiting for proof that there was enough fraud or interference to change the outcome of the 2020 election. That has never been proven. Trump has stated multiple times that he has the proof but his lawyers won't let him release it. Nobody believes that he would hold back evidence that would show he really won in 2020 due to his lawyers telling him to. Heck, he doesn't even listen to his lawyers to not bash judges.

Just because it was somewhat legal at the time doesn't mean it was right, and it doesn't mean there wasn't election fraud. You seem open to the possibility of mail-in voting being abused, and you even hint that it likely benefited Democrats more than Republicans. Yet you also seem unwilling to call that election fraud.

Using and exploiting mail-in voting was an option for both Democrats and Republicans. Democrats used it but Republicans chose not to. It was largely legal at the time but Trump and some others told people to go vote on election day instead. Think of it like a baseball game. If the umpire has a wide strike zone, both teams can take advantage of it to get strikes off the plate. If only one team chooses to do so, does that mean that team cheated or just played within the 'rules' for that game?

Regardless of which party or candidate you support, you should expect our government to hold free and fair elections with no dirty stuff going on.

Issues like mail-in voting are still a concern, in my opinion. And remember, there are more elections down the road that Donald Trump will not be a part of. Hopefully, DeSantis will run again in 2028, and I will still demand election integrity from our government, same as I do now.

Agreed.

 

[Guard Dad]

Show us the proof.

Trumps team of lawyers led by Rudy G claimed they had evidence to prove the fraud. Rudy later admitted there wasn't any.

Again, you have brought forth nothing but conjecture and hearsay. Where's the evidence to prove what you're saying is true? You so desperately want to believe Trump lost because of cheating that you will grasp at any straw to try to prove you are right. Good grief man, get a grip on reality.

Trump, Trump, Trump.

I bet you dream about the man.

 

[Guard Dad]

As I've stated on here in the past, every single national election has some level of fraud or interference. Every single one. I'm still waiting for proof that there was enough fraud or interference to change the outcome of the 2020 election. That has never been proven. Trump has stated multiple times that he has the proof but his lawyers won't let him release it. Nobody believes that he would hold back evidence that would show he really won in 2020 due to his lawyers telling him to. Heck, he doesn't even listen to his lawyers to not bash judges.

As I mentioned...how can we prove what the government sanctioned was fraud?

Using and exploiting mail-in voting was an option for both Democrats and Republicans. Democrats used it but Republicans chose not to. It was largely legal at the time but Trump and some others told people to go vote on election day instead. Think of it like a baseball game. If the umpire has a wide strike zone, both teams can take advantage of it to get strikes off the plate. If only one team chooses to do so, does that mean that team cheated or just played within the 'rules' for that game?

So because the Republicans didn't take advantage of ballot harvesting, that made it OK for the Democrats to cheat?

That's what I'm reading in your paragraph above. Two wrongs would make a right.

 

[J-man]

I guess people miss the obvious elephant in the room. I was merely pointing out how ridiculous it is for someone who voluntarily received the jab to preach about needing proof of anything. Rant over, continue on...

 

[cptlo]

So because the Republicans didn't take advantage of ballot harvesting, that made it OK for the Democrats to cheat?

That's what I'm reading in your paragraph above. Two wrongs would make a right.

Both sides had the same playing field regardless if that playing field was 100% legal or not. Democrats chose to use tools they were given but Republicans chose not to.

 

[Boss 302]

Both sides had the same playing field regardless if that playing field was 100% legal or not. Democrats chose to use tools they were given but Republicans chose not to.

If anything, the Republicans were guilty of stupidity that cost them the election.

 

[cptlo]

Bashing was not the intent and my words were carefully selected as not to offend. I purposely included the word "voluntarily." Many who took it were forced or coerced, including the Queen.

You failed at the bolded part.

Everyone that got the vaccine did so voluntarily. Nobody was forced at gunpoint to get the shot. Many were coerced due to their job but it was still voluntary.

 

[Guard Dad]

Both sides had the same playing field regardless if that playing field was 100% legal or not. Democrats chose to use tools they were given but Republicans chose not to.

You failed at the bolded part.

Everyone that got the vaccine did so voluntarily. Nobody was forced at gunpoint to get the shot. Many were coerced due to their job but it was still voluntary.

I think we all agree here that the Republicans suck as playing dirty, and even at playing clean sometimes, so that's not in question.

However, I'm a bit appalled that your defense to this is basically; one side cheated and the other didn't, so the one who didn't lost.

Is this what we've come to?