Father who left child in hot car charged with murder

[J-man]

My stance was based on it being an complete accident and I was clear that if there was more to the story then my stance would change. It's a horrific tragedy either way. But you do make a good point, even though it's an emotional story we cannot believe everything reported in the media. Many of us are not privy to additional information. I try to think positive on issues, at least until additional information has been substantiated. Now my view is "throw the book" at the bum.

 

[stradial]

I have a source who read the search warrants in this case. Unfortunately we can't rely on the news for all the information. I found it very difficult to believe, but it appears quite deliberate.

Keep in mind that the police don't show up in an incident such as this and jump to conclusions. A LOT of hours, investigation and interviews went into this case before the arrest was made.

All I should say at this point. Love you long time...

I still stick by my original post.
Which covers something like it being deliberate.

Original post:
IF, the father checks out to have been a good father, no issues other than this one (which granted is a major one), then I say no charges.

Murdering your kid, eliminates you from being a "good father".
(at least in my mind)

Also, while I have heard of a lot of ways that parents have done in their kids, I do not think I have ever heard of leaving them in a car being one of them.
Doesn't mean that it can't or in fact doesn't happen, I just have never heard of it.

I would think that if this was deliberate, then there would be some indicators of that, other issues that the family would know about, especially the wife.
And perhaps there are, that may be why the charges are have been filed.


Again, IF the father checks out to have been a good father and this was just a tragic mistake, I would say, no charges.
But if it was deliberate murder, that is a whole nother LifeTime movie.

 

[ShoeDiva]

My stance was based on it being an complete accident and I was clear that if there was more to the story then my stance would change. It's a horrific tragedy either way. But you do make a good point, even though it's an emotional story we cannot believe everything reported in the media. Many of us are not privy to additional information. I try to think positive on issues, at least until additional information has been substantiated. Now my view is "throw the book" at the bum.

What did I miss that changed your mind?

 

[lotstodo]

I have a source who read the search warrants in this case. Unfortunately we can't rely on the news for all the information. I found it very difficult to believe, but it appears quite deliberate.

Keep in mind that the police don't show up in an incident such as this and jump to conclusions. A LOT of hours, investigation and interviews went into this case before the arrest was made.

All I should say at this point. Love you long time...

If that is the case, then he deserves the needle. I can't fathom anyone doing this on purpose, but I assume that if this is the case they have some good evidence. Like I said, it all hinges on the word "willful" which was in the arrest warrant.

 

[unionmom]

Like Colsen, I have more info on this. It has not yet been released though so I can not share. Just give it time and see what develops.

Also remember, it takes more than the officers and the prosecutors to get charges like this to move forward.

 

[ShoeDiva]

Like Colsen, I have more info on this. It has not yet been released though so I can not share. Just give it time and see what develops.

Also remember, it takes more than the officers and the prosecutors to get charges like this to move forward.

Well apparently a lot of us know what else there is, people talk a lot. (why I edited my post this morning..I wasn't contributing until all was released) Either way, I thought it was the prosecutor that brings the charges?

 

[lotstodo]

Like Colsen, I have more info on this. It has not yet been released though so I can not share. Just give it time and see what develops.

Also remember, it takes more than the officers and the prosecutors to get charges like this to move forward.

Well apparently a lot of us know what else there is, people talk a lot. (why I edited my post this morning..I wasn't contributing until all was released) Either way, I thought it was the prosecutor that brings the charges?

The Warrant was signed by Officer Stoddard and signed by Judge Moore. The charges could still change based on the evidence.

 

[Grey Colson]

Like Colsen, I have more info on this. It has not yet been released though so I can not share. Just give it time and see what develops.

Also remember, it takes more than the officers and the prosecutors to get charges like this to move forward.

Well apparently a lot of us know what else there is, people talk a lot. (why I edited my post this morning..I wasn't contributing until all was released) Either way, I thought it was the prosecutor that brings the charges?

The Warrant was signed by Officer Stoddard and signed by Judge Moore. The charges could still change based on the evidence.

True. All felonies have to be presented to the Grand Jury. I have had cases that I considered a little "iffy" in the past. Whenever I got that feeling I would just ask the ADA to allow me to present the evidence to the grand jury for consideration. If they render a "True Bill", it sent the case to trail without me taking a warrant. That was usually always in financial cases where the line is sometimes blurry between civil and criminal cases.

But from what I've heard about this one….sounds like they have all their ducks in a row.

 

[mei lan]

I have to go throw up now.

 

[stradial]

Like Colsen, I have more info on this. It has not yet been released though so I can not share. Just give it time and see what develops.

Also remember, it takes more than the officers and the prosecutors to get charges like this to move forward.

Well apparently a lot of us know what else there is, people talk a lot. (why I edited my post this morning..I wasn't contributing until all was released) Either way, I thought it was the prosecutor that brings the charges?

The Warrant was signed by Officer Stoddard and signed by Judge Moore. The charges could still change based on the evidence.

True. All felonies have to be presented to the Grand Jury. I have had cases that I considered a little "iffy" in the past. Whenever I got that feeling I would just ask the ADA to allow me to present the evidence to the grand jury for consideration. If they render a "True Bill", it sent the case to trail without me taking a warrant. That was usually always in financial cases where the line is sometimes blurry between civil and criminal cases.

But from what I've heard about this one….sounds like they have all their ducks in a row.

Can you recall ever hearing of a child being left in a car, as a way to murder the kid?
I can't.
This question is not asked because I don't think it could or did happen, I have just never heard of a child being killed this way.
Although it may have happened and was ruled an accident or something like that.

I have to think perhaps the child died some other way and he is claiming it was from being left in the car.
But....time (and the medical examiner) will tell.

 

[Grey Colson]

Like Colsen, I have more info on this. It has not yet been released though so I can not share. Just give it time and see what develops.

Also remember, it takes more than the officers and the prosecutors to get charges like this to move forward.

Well apparently a lot of us know what else there is, people talk a lot. (why I edited my post this morning..I wasn't contributing until all was released) Either way, I thought it was the prosecutor that brings the charges?

The Warrant was signed by Officer Stoddard and signed by Judge Moore. The charges could still change based on the evidence.

True. All felonies have to be presented to the Grand Jury. I have had cases that I considered a little "iffy" in the past. Whenever I got that feeling I would just ask the ADA to allow me to present the evidence to the grand jury for consideration. If they render a "True Bill", it sent the case to trail without me taking a warrant. That was usually always in financial cases where the line is sometimes blurry between civil and criminal cases.

But from what I've heard about this one….sounds like they have all their ducks in a row.

Can you recall ever hearing of a child being left in a car, as a way to murder the kid?
I can't.
This question is not asked because I don't think it could or did happen, I have just never heard of a child being killed this way.
Although it may have happened and was ruled an accident or something like that.

I have to think perhaps the child died some other way and he is claiming it was from being left in the car.
But....time (and the medical examiner) will tell.

In all my years, my answer is no. That's why like everyone else, my immediate thought was it was a terrible, unintentional accident.

 

[honeybunny]

I'm sorry but I do not understand how you "forget" that YOUR CHILD is in the car.
My child is like my right arm and I DO NOT understand these tragic scenarios at all.


Did anybody hear about this kind of stuff in the 60's or 70's ? ? ?

Is it me or is this an increasing type of thing in modern times ? ? ?

I have noticed that it always seems to be daycare kids,
with two busy parents... what is happening these days ? ? ?


If this truly was an accident taken at face value, I would not vote to convict him of murder. Maybe criminal negligence.
He is already serving a life sentence and it serves society no purpose to lock him up long term. I have wondered if he
is being temporarily held with "no bond" as an excuse for his own safety because they fear for his emotional condition.


If this was something else,
well then that is pure evil.


:dunno

 

[mei lan]

He is being held with no bond because of the murder charge, which is a requirement when a death occurs during the commission of a felony (felony child abuse); next hearing is mid-July.

 

[stradial]

Like Colsen, I have more info on this. It has not yet been released though so I can not share. Just give it time and see what develops.

Also remember, it takes more than the officers and the prosecutors to get charges like this to move forward.

Well apparently a lot of us know what else there is, people talk a lot. (why I edited my post this morning..I wasn't contributing until all was released) Either way, I thought it was the prosecutor that brings the charges?

The Warrant was signed by Officer Stoddard and signed by Judge Moore. The charges could still change based on the evidence.

True. All felonies have to be presented to the Grand Jury. I have had cases that I considered a little "iffy" in the past. Whenever I got that feeling I would just ask the ADA to allow me to present the evidence to the grand jury for consideration. If they render a "True Bill", it sent the case to trail without me taking a warrant. That was usually always in financial cases where the line is sometimes blurry between civil and criminal cases.

But from what I've heard about this one….sounds like they have all their ducks in a row.

Can you recall ever hearing of a child being left in a car, as a way to murder the kid?
I can't.
This question is not asked because I don't think it could or did happen, I have just never heard of a child being killed this way.
Although it may have happened and was ruled an accident or something like that.

I have to think perhaps the child died some other way and he is claiming it was from being left in the car.
But....time (and the medical examiner) will tell.

In all my years, my answer is no. That's why like everyone else, my immediate thought was it was a terrible, unintentional accident.

I haven't either.

As you know, parents who kill their kids usually fall into a few categories.
1. mental issues, there is usually warning signs before
2. neglect, this is not something that just happens, there is usually a pattern before the death
3. money, again a pattern of neglect is usually there
4. violent outburst resulting in death, again there is usually a pattern of this
5. sadistic treatment, again there is usually a pattern of this
6. revenge, taking something from the other parent, there is usually major issues between the two parents
7. "religious" type of beliefs, they have been part of that "religion" for some time
8. control, again a pattern is there

In all these various types of child killings, locking them in a car was never one of them.
I have to think, given the reports from LE, that this kid was dead before the dad got to work.

 

[mei lan]

Like Colsen, I have more info on this. It has not yet been released though so I can not share. Just give it time and see what develops.

Also remember, it takes more than the officers and the prosecutors to get charges like this to move forward.

Well apparently a lot of us know what else there is, people talk a lot. (why I edited my post this morning..I wasn't contributing until all was released) Either way, I thought it was the prosecutor that brings the charges?

The Warrant was signed by Officer Stoddard and signed by Judge Moore. The charges could still change based on the evidence.

True. All felonies have to be presented to the Grand Jury. I have had cases that I considered a little "iffy" in the past. Whenever I got that feeling I would just ask the ADA to allow me to present the evidence to the grand jury for consideration. If they render a "True Bill", it sent the case to trail without me taking a warrant. That was usually always in financial cases where the line is sometimes blurry between civil and criminal cases.

But from what I've heard about this one….sounds like they have all their ducks in a row.

Can you recall ever hearing of a child being left in a car, as a way to murder the kid?
I can't.
This question is not asked because I don't think it could or did happen, I have just never heard of a child being killed this way.
Although it may have happened and was ruled an accident or something like that.

I have to think perhaps the child died some other way and he is claiming it was from being left in the car.
But....time (and the medical examiner) will tell.

In all my years, my answer is no. That's why like everyone else, my immediate thought was it was a terrible, unintentional accident.

I haven't either.

As you know, parents who kill their kids usually fall into a few categories.
1. mental issues, there is usually warning signs before
2. neglect, this is not something that just happens, there is usually a pattern before the death
3. money, again a pattern of neglect is usually there
4. violent outburst resulting in death, again there is usually a pattern of this
5. sadistic treatment, again there is usually a pattern of this
6. revenge, taking something from the other parent, there is usually major issues between the two parents
7. "religious" type of beliefs, they have been part of that "religion" for some time
8. control, again a pattern is there

In all these various types of child killings, locking them in a car was never one of them.
I have to think, given the reports from LE, that this kid was dead before the dad got to work.

WHOA - just to clarify...you're premise is that he killed him and then left the body in a hot car???

 

[stradial]

One question that popped into my head when it was 1st reported was this.
If it was at a work parking lot, did no one during the day walk by the car and see the kid in the car?
But then I thought about how that could happen in an employee lot.

 

[stradial]

Like Colsen, I have more info on this. It has not yet been released though so I can not share. Just give it time and see what develops.

Also remember, it takes more than the officers and the prosecutors to get charges like this to move forward.

Well apparently a lot of us know what else there is, people talk a lot. (why I edited my post this morning..I wasn't contributing until all was released) Either way, I thought it was the prosecutor that brings the charges?

The Warrant was signed by Officer Stoddard and signed by Judge Moore. The charges could still change based on the evidence.

True. All felonies have to be presented to the Grand Jury. I have had cases that I considered a little "iffy" in the past. Whenever I got that feeling I would just ask the ADA to allow me to present the evidence to the grand jury for consideration. If they render a "True Bill", it sent the case to trail without me taking a warrant. That was usually always in financial cases where the line is sometimes blurry between civil and criminal cases.

But from what I've heard about this one….sounds like they have all their ducks in a row.

Can you recall ever hearing of a child being left in a car, as a way to murder the kid?
I can't.
This question is not asked because I don't think it could or did happen, I have just never heard of a child being killed this way.
Although it may have happened and was ruled an accident or something like that.

I have to think perhaps the child died some other way and he is claiming it was from being left in the car.
But....time (and the medical examiner) will tell.

In all my years, my answer is no. That's why like everyone else, my immediate thought was it was a terrible, unintentional accident.

I haven't either.

As you know, parents who kill their kids usually fall into a few categories.
1. mental issues, there is usually warning signs before
2. neglect, this is not something that just happens, there is usually a pattern before the death
3. money, again a pattern of neglect is usually there
4. violent outburst resulting in death, again there is usually a pattern of this
5. sadistic treatment, again there is usually a pattern of this
6. revenge, taking something from the other parent, there is usually major issues between the two parents
7. "religious" type of beliefs, they have been part of that "religion" for some time
8. control, again a pattern is there

In all these various types of child killings, locking them in a car was never one of them.
I have to think, given the reports from LE, that this kid was dead before the dad got to work.

WHOA - just to clarify...you're premise is that he killed him and then left the body in a hot car???

I would not be surprised to find that to be the case.

 

[mei lan]

:faint

Ye gods. My mind is just having trouble comprehending. :'( :'( :'(

 

[stradial]

:faint

Ye gods. My mind is just having trouble comprehending. :'( :'( :'(

For me, it is actually easier to comprehend over his deliberately leaving the child in the car to die.
Think about it.
The kid dies in some manner, violent outburst or whatever.
Now what do you do?
Maybe...maybe, I can get away with it, if I leave them in the car and say it was an accident.

 

[lotstodo]

Like Colsen, I have more info on this. It has not yet been released though so I can not share. Just give it time and see what develops.

Also remember, it takes more than the officers and the prosecutors to get charges like this to move forward.

Well apparently a lot of us know what else there is, people talk a lot. (why I edited my post this morning..I wasn't contributing until all was released) Either way, I thought it was the prosecutor that brings the charges?

The Warrant was signed by Officer Stoddard and signed by Judge Moore. The charges could still change based on the evidence.

True. All felonies have to be presented to the Grand Jury. I have had cases that I considered a little "iffy" in the past. Whenever I got that feeling I would just ask the ADA to allow me to present the evidence to the grand jury for consideration. If they render a "True Bill", it sent the case to trail without me taking a warrant. That was usually always in financial cases where the line is sometimes blurry between civil and criminal cases.

But from what I've heard about this one….sounds like they have all their ducks in a row.

That may be the most horrific news I've heard in a long time. I really can't even wrap my mind around it.