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?"Our culture has accepted two huge lies: The first is that if you disagree with someone's lifestyle, you must fear them or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don't have to compromise convictions to be compassionate" -Rick Warren
 
Madea said:
?"Our culture has accepted two huge lies: The first is that if you disagree with someone's lifestyle, you must fear them or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don't have to compromise convictions to be compassionate" -Rick Warren

I'm not a huge Rick Warren fan, but that's an excellent quote. As y'all know, I am not opposed to gay civil unions, but believe marriage should be left to each church's beliefs. I tend to agree with GC in the para that Waski quoted. I didn't go to CFA yesterday, nor did I get in anyone's face. I respect the Cathys' stand on the issue, although if I were in the same position, I doubt I would focus on this issue. I will go to CFA about twice a month as usual...no more, no less. Mark, I love you. I truly do.
 
mei lan said:
Madea said:
?"Our culture has accepted two huge lies: The first is that if you disagree with someone's lifestyle, you must fear them or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don't have to compromise convictions to be compassionate" -Rick Warren

I'm not a huge Rick Warren fan, but that's an excellent quote. As y'all know, I am not opposed to gay civil unions, but believe marriage should be left to each church's beliefs. I tend to agree with GC in the para that Waski quoted. I didn't go to CFA yesterday, nor did I get in anyone's face. I respect the Cathys' stand on the issue, although if I were in the same position, I doubt I would focus on this issue. I will go to CFA about twice a month as usual...no more, no less. Mark, I love you. I truly do.

My support of the traditional family has nothing to do with my position on gay marriage. I doubt many will understand, but I strongly support a traditional family because I firmly believe that's the best place for children. If you choose in your relationship not to have children, then my position doesn't affect you at all. And I do truly believe that many of the ills our society faces is in direct correlation between the lack of strong family connections and our priorities. Quite frankly, I blame the roles some women have chosen more than anything, but that's a story for another day. According to the 2010 census, less than 1% of US households are same sex. Will that 1% have any impact on my family or my personal values? No, I don't believe it will. I don't even believe that same sex couples are a detriment to the traditional family. I'm sorry that I lack the literary skills necessary to get that point across.

Also for another day, I no longer raise funds for Komen Foundation. But, I don't seek out companies that do and then choose not to spend my money there. I simply no longer participate in any of the fundraisers. Personal choice. And, I am thankful I have that option.

And, I'm not a huge Rick Warren fan either. Quite frankly, I think he's a bigger part of the problem than the solution.
 
Madea said:
mei lan said:
Madea said:
?"Our culture has accepted two huge lies: The first is that if you disagree with someone's lifestyle, you must fear them or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don't have to compromise convictions to be compassionate" -Rick Warren

I'm not a huge Rick Warren fan, but that's an excellent quote. As y'all know, I am not opposed to gay civil unions, but believe marriage should be left to each church's beliefs. I tend to agree with GC in the para that Waski quoted. I didn't go to CFA yesterday, nor did I get in anyone's face. I respect the Cathys' stand on the issue, although if I were in the same position, I doubt I would focus on this issue. I will go to CFA about twice a month as usual...no more, no less. Mark, I love you. I truly do.

My support of the traditional family has nothing to do with my position on gay marriage. I doubt many will understand, but I strongly support a traditional family because I firmly believe that's the best place for children. If you choose in your relationship not to have children, then my position doesn't affect you at all. And I do truly believe that many of the ills our society faces is in direct correlation between the lack of strong family connections and our priorities. Quite frankly, I blame the roles some women have chosen more than anything, but that's a story for another day. According to the 2010 census, less than 1% of US households are same sex. Will that 1% have any impact on my family or my personal values? No, I don't believe it will. I don't even believe that same sex couples are a detriment to the traditional family. I'm sorry that I lack the literary skills necessary to get that point across.

Also for another day, I no longer raise funds for Komen Foundation. But, I don't seek out companies that do and then choose not to spend my money there. I simply no longer participate in any of the fundraisers. Personal choice. And, I am thankful I have that option.

And, I'm not a huge Rick Warren fan either. Quite frankly, I think he's a bigger part of the problem than the solution.

Well said, twin...well said.
 
Madea said:
My support of the traditional family has nothing to do with my position on gay marriage. I doubt many will understand, but I strongly support a traditional family because I firmly believe that's the best place for children. If you choose in your relationship not to have children, then my position doesn't affect you at all. And I do truly believe that many of the ills our society faces is in direct correlation between the lack of strong family connections and our priorities. Quite frankly, I blame the roles some women have chosen more than anything, but that's a story for another day. According to the 2010 census, less than 1% of US households are same sex. Will that 1% have any impact on my family or my personal values? No, I don't believe it will. I don't even believe that same sex couples are a detriment to the traditional family. I'm sorry that I lack the literary skills necessary to get that point across.

Also for another day, I no longer raise funds for Komen Foundation. But, I don't seek out companies that do and then choose not to spend my money there. I simply no longer participate in any of the fundraisers. Personal choice. And, I am thankful I have that option.

And, I'm not a huge Rick Warren fan either. Quite frankly, I think he's a bigger part of the problem than the solution.

When I thought I couldn't like you more, you post something like this. :love You took the words right otta my mouth. *I declined to walk the 3Day because of SGK.* I am not sure who Rick Warren is, but I think he is a Christian who likes to hear himself talk. I do, however, agree with what he said.
 
Guard Dad said:
Winchester said:
Well, it looks like Mark removed himself from the forums.
Yes, he deleted his membership. Hate it, but it's his choice.

You all must understand. Some of the gay population get butt hurt easily, both literally and figuratively. I've spent alot of time around gay people and some are just not very understanding about others beliefs. It sucks but its true.
 
Guard Dad said:
Winchester said:
Well, it looks like Mark removed himself from the forums.
Yes, he deleted his membership. Hate it, but it's his choice.

And while I wish he could be as open minded as he wants others to be, I do still respect his decision to decide who he wants in his life.
 
Madea said:
mei lan said:
Madea said:
?"Our culture has accepted two huge lies: The first is that if you disagree with someone's lifestyle, you must fear them or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don't have to compromise convictions to be compassionate" -Rick Warren

I'm not a huge Rick Warren fan, but that's an excellent quote. As y'all know, I am not opposed to gay civil unions, but believe marriage should be left to each church's beliefs. I tend to agree with GC in the para that Waski quoted. I didn't go to CFA yesterday, nor did I get in anyone's face. I respect the Cathys' stand on the issue, although if I were in the same position, I doubt I would focus on this issue. I will go to CFA about twice a month as usual...no more, no less. Mark, I love you. I truly do.

My support of the traditional family has nothing to do with my position on gay marriage. I doubt many will understand, but I strongly support a traditional family because I firmly believe that's the best place for children. If you choose in your relationship not to have children, then my position doesn't affect you at all. And I do truly believe that many of the ills our society faces is in direct correlation between the lack of strong family connections and our priorities. Quite frankly, I blame the roles some women have chosen more than anything, but that's a story for another day. According to the 2010 census, less than 1% of US households are same sex. Will that 1% have any impact on my family or my personal values? No, I don't believe it will. I don't even believe that same sex couples are a detriment to the traditional family. I'm sorry that I lack the literary skills necessary to get that point across.

Also for another day, I no longer raise funds for Komen Foundation. But, I don't seek out companies that do and then choose not to spend my money there. I simply no longer participate in any of the fundraisers. Personal choice. And, I am thankful I have that option.

And, I'm not a huge Rick Warren fan either. Quite frankly, I think he's a bigger part of the problem than the solution.
Wise Lady I agree with you on all counts.
 
wsstevenson said:
You've all still missed my point. I swear I don't know what I'm doing wrong that I can't convince you that I agree with the right to free speech. I agree with a person's right to do what they want, when they want, etc. I just can't see how anyone could call themselves my friend and continue to support organizations that support bigotry. We've gone way beyond his freedom of speech. It's not about that at all. I think the mayors of Boston and Chicago were idiots to say what they said. This isn't about that. It never was for me. It was about people that say the love and respect me rubbing that damn chicken sandwich in my face because they thought they were fighting for someone's right to free speech. All the while they were simply fired up by a hack politician and that scares the s.hit out of me. For the first time in 20 years, I was genuinely frightened yesterday. Sitting in my own office where there were at least three people spouting the mob mentality. I haven't been afraid to be open about who I was in 2 decades. I can't say that anymore. And frankly, I don't give a rat's ass if you understand it now or not. I can't make you. And I'm tired of trying. Like me, don't like me. I can't live in fear of anyone's disapproval.

Wow! What kind of "friend" expects all his friends to purchase goods from only the businesses he supports? "I'm not going to be your friend if you eat at CFA." Any friend of mine that based our friendship on his or her needs only wouldn't be my friend for long.
 
BeatBoxinGranny47 said:
Guard Dad said:
Winchester said:
Well, it looks like Mark removed himself from the forums.
Yes, he deleted his membership. Hate it, but it's his choice.

You all must understand. Some of the gay population get butt hurt easily, both literally and figuratively. I've spent alot of time around gay people and some are just not very understanding about others beliefs. It sucks but its true.

Correct. And a lot of them have incredibly deep, long-standing hurts that are just so atrocious that something like this re-opens old wounds. I say this not to change anyone's mind, but to agree with BBG by way of explanation.
 
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