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And Liberal articles are suddenly saying that Trump loses to everybody in the General Election now that DeSantis is out.

Youse Guys still believe all those polls you pushing earlier? Still believe they were not being manipulated?

From CNN:

Paul Begala: The disaster looming for Trump​

There are two very different storylines that emerged from New Hampshire: The first is former President Donald Trump’s cult-like support among diehard Republicans. The more important story, though, is his stunning weakness among independents.

Trump lost a stunning two-thirds of New Hampshire voters who are not in either political party, according to initial results from a CNN exit poll. In Iowa, 43% of former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley’s supporters said they would vote for President Joe Biden against Trump.

That the Republican Party is now one more Trump property is news from nowhere. In the eight years since he slithered down that escalator in Manhattan’s Trump Tower, he has remade the party. Where Reagan-Bush Republicans stood for limited government, strong national defense, and traditional family values, Trump added about $8 trillion to the national debt, disdains NATO, and has been found by a jury of his peers to be civilly liable for sexual abuse (which he has denied).

Trump’s challenge, now that the nomination fight is effectively over, will be to appeal to voters who are turned off by his cult of personality. His angry, bitter speech Tuesday night was a terrible beginning for the general election. Did the grievance-filled rant against Haley sound like a winner to you? No, it sounded like a guy who is in deep doo-doo with independents.

This is a potential disaster for Trump. To attend this year’s Iowa GOP caucuses in the freezing cold, you had to be a very committed Republican. (Unlike New Hampshire, Iowa does not allow independents to vote in the GOP caucus.) And yet nearly half of the loyal Republicans who supported Haley in Iowa say they cannot support Trump in November; Biden wins them by a margin of 20 points.
 
The actual polls are saying Trump wins in the general election, they have been for some time. When you project it our through an electoral college map, Trump's win is pretty sizable.

Be sure to look only at the national polls, not the state ones https://www.realclearpolling.com/latest-polls/president/general-election

The article you posted is Democrat propaganda. Paul Begala is a Clinton lackey, I wouldn't believe anything he says. The Dems know they are in trouble and they are desperately trying to shift the public perception.

They want you to believe they want to run against Trump. But it's just beating their chests, the Dems are terrified that they will lose and lose big.

As for the recent polls, they've been spot on so far. They were right for Iowa. The last New Hampshire polls predicted a 10-11 point win for Trump, he won by 11 points.

Of course, all this assumes Biden is the nominee and there are no major surprises. And that the elections are fair.
 
Haley took 60% of the Independents in NH. Why? Because they don't like Trump. There are another 19 states that have open primaries. There are another 14 states with semi-open primaries. SC is an open primary state that votes on Feb. 24. Michigan is also an open primary and votes on Feb. 27. There are 32 primaries/caucuses in March. 17 of those are on Super Tuesday. Quite a few of them are open.

Haley would actually be doing the GOP a favor if she stayed in the race throughout March. The results will show Trump exactly how vulnerable he is with blacks, Hispanics, women, and Independents.
 
Guard Dad said:
The actual polls are saying Trump wins in the general election, they have been for some time. When you project it our through an electoral college map, Trump's win is pretty sizable.

Be sure to look only at the national polls, not the state ones https://www.realclearpolling.com/latest-polls/president/general-election

The article you posted is Democrat propaganda. Paul Begala is a Clinton lackey, I wouldn't believe anything he says. The Dems know they are in trouble and they are desperately trying to shift the public perception.

They want you to believe they want to run against Trump. But it's just beating their chests, the Dems are terrified that they will lose and lose big.

As for the recent polls, they've been spot on so far. They were right for Iowa. The last New Hampshire polls predicted a 10-11 point win for Trump, he won by 11 points.

Of course, all this assumes Biden is the nominee and there are no major surprises. And that the elections are fair.
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I would say the state polls are more important because it's how the people vote in a state that determines how many electoral votes a candidate gets from them.
 
Yep, I still believe them as much as one can believe any poll. What I also believe is that the true sentiment of the country isn't being exposed and I believe people believe Trump is their best choice for whatever issue is most important to them. I fully expect MSM to turn up the heat on Trump AGAIN since he's now the clear front runner. Also, as I've mentioned, I have my doubts he'll even be on the ballot come November and even if he is there are millions of new migrants now who will somehow manage to be able to vote and not surprisingly most will vote down the Dem party line.
 
Guard Dad said:
The actual polls are saying Trump wins in the general election, they have been for some time. When you project it our through an electoral college map, Trump's win is pretty sizable.

Be sure to look only at the national polls, not the state ones https://www.realclearpolling.com/latest-polls/president/general-election

The article you posted is Democrat propaganda. Paul Begala is a Clinton lackey, I wouldn't believe anything he says. The Dems know they are in trouble and they are desperately trying to shift the public perception.

They want you to believe they want to run against Trump. But it's just beating their chests, the Dems are terrified that they will lose and lose big.

As for the recent polls, they've been spot on so far. They were right for Iowa. The last New Hampshire polls predicted a 10-11 point win for Trump, he won by 11 points.

Of course, all this assumes Biden is the nominee and there are no major surprises. And that the elections are fair.
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You think we are being mislead to believe the Dems want Trump as the nominee. Some of us believe you are being mislead to think otherwise.

Only time will tell for sure.

However, think of it this way....if you were Biden/Newsom/whomever, wouldn't you prefer to face someone who:

1. Is only getting about 50% of Republican votes in primaries so far (and primary polls).
2. Will be spending a large portion of his time in court over the next year.
3. Will likely be convicted in at least one case before the election.
4. If convicted in any case, is polling badly among those asked if they would vote for him if convicted.
5. Barely beat the most hated politician in the country in 2016.
6. Already lost to Biden (yes, some say he won but.....)
7. Despite a bad economy and all the Biden negatives, couldn't lead Republicans to many wins during the 2022 midterms (no red wave as was talked about)
8. Has done nothing substantial to gain any votes since 2020.
9. Has done quite a bit to lose Republican votes by bashing other Republicans and going left on policies.
10. Is not the most disliked politician in the country.

instead of someone like DeSantis or Haley. You have stated in many prior posts that Haley was doing better than Trump and DeSantis in national polls. Now, without something crazy happening, Republicans have chosen their nominee so talk of DeSantis or Haley means little right now but that doesn't remove or minimize all the Trump negatives listed above.

Add in the press touting a recovering economy and slower inflation this year (whether actually true or not but already starting) and things aren't looking good for Trump to beat anyone in the general election.
 
cptlo said:
Have I ever mentioned that Kayleigh McEnany is hot? I hope DP isn't reading this... :)

Ex-Trump Aide Turned Fox Host Says NH Was ‘Good Night For Joe Biden’ On Live TV — Enraged Trump Hammers Her For It

Kayleigh McEnany said Tuesday's New Hampshire primary was "a fairly good night for" President Joe Biden, earning a late-night attack from Trump.
www.mediaite.com www.mediaite.com
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New Hampshire has only voted Red one time since 1992. Haley did so well because they are closet liberals up there.

So does it really matter?
 
J-man said:
So you’re moving beyond Dana? Asking for a friend.
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No Way Desantis GIF by Republican Governors Association
 
Guard Dad said:
Y'all, the media is spinning the crap out of this. Don't buy into it.
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cptlo said:
You think we are being mislead to believe the Dems want Trump as the nominee. Some of us believe you are being mislead to think otherwise.

Only time will tell for sure.

However, think of it this way....if you were Biden/Newsom/whomever, wouldn't you prefer to face someone who:

1. Is only getting about 50% of Republican votes in primaries so far (and primary polls).
2. Will be spending a large portion of his time in court over the next year.
3. Will likely be convicted in at least one case before the election.
4. If convicted in any case, is polling badly among those asked if they would vote for him if convicted.
5. Barely beat the most hated politician in the country in 2016.
6. Already lost to Biden (yes, some say he won but.....)
7. Despite a bad economy and all the Biden negatives, couldn't lead Republicans to many wins during the 2022 midterms (no red wave as was talked about)
8. Has done nothing substantial to gain any votes since 2020.
9. Has done quite a bit to lose Republican votes by bashing other Republicans and going left on policies.
10. Is not the most disliked politician in the country.

instead of someone like DeSantis or Haley. You have stated in many prior posts that Haley was doing better than Trump and DeSantis in national polls. Now, without something crazy happening, Republicans have chosen their nominee so talk of DeSantis or Haley means little right now but that doesn't remove or minimize all the Trump negatives listed above.

Add in the press touting a recovering economy and slower inflation this year (whether actually true or not but already starting) and things aren't looking good for Trump to beat anyone in the general election.
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So what do we do about Trump? Tell the 74% of GOP voters the polls say support him not to vote for him in the primary?

Seriously, unless there's a knockout punch, is there any way to stop him from being the nominee?
 
Guard Dad said:
So what do we do about Trump? Tell the 74% of GOP voters the polls say support him not to vote for him in the primary?

Seriously, unless there's a knockout punch, is there any way to stop him from being the nominee?
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At this point, it looks like he will be the nominee. Does that mean we should ignore all the negatives and likely outcomes based on that decision?
 
One thing for sure, nobody can blame to Trump supporters this time around. At least not at this stage in the game. They’re doing their part so far, it’s up to the hold outs now.
 
cptlo said:
At this point, it looks like he will be the nominee. Does that mean we should ignore all the negatives and likely outcomes based on that decision?
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Not necessarily, I just don't understand what good all the bitching does. IMO, the anti-Trumpers in the GOP are doing as much damage as the left is.

It's time to get behind our quarterback.

I had an interesting conversation today with the guy next door at work. Young black guy, originally from Jamaica, smart kid. I've gotten pretty close to him and his dad. One of his businesses (delivery service) is really struggling, he's losing money on it. Was doing OK for awhile, but he went on about how all the expenses had gone up, fuel is higher, insurance is higher, tires are higher, paying drivers more, etc. He was thinking about going back to mechanic work and flipping cars, he said he always made money on that. I didn't get political, but trying to be helpful I told him the economy was likely to get worse, and he might want to consider cutting his losses and going back to doing what he was successful at.

He brought up Trump...talked about how much better things were, how he always made money when Trump was in office, everything cost less, etc.

That said a lot to me.
 
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