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What a freaking mess. Every politician was shooting from the hip for their own gain.

We are lucky as heck that this was *not* a truly deadly virus like Ebola.

I do like that he's calling their bluff on what what they were saying when he was making the call.
 
This whole mess hasn't felt right to me from the start. I've never seen anything near this kind of response to a bug going around. Most said at first that it was no big deal, then they told us it was going to be an apocalypse and shut much of the world down.

At this point, it's looking more like their first reaction was more accurate. Covid-19 cases and deaths are far lower than what seasonal flu brings. Will this hold, and the virus move on? Or will it circle back for round 2? I'm not sure anyone knows.

The antibody testing has indicated that far more people have the antibodies than was expected. My understanding is that this means more people have had it than the data shows. Did they get it with few or no symptoms, not knowing they had it? Or did they have it in Dec or Jan as many seem to think? Again, I don't know for sure.

From what I can see, this virus seems to target certain people. Young people tend to either not get it, or don't get sick from it. We know blood type is a factor, and people with underlying health conditions such as diabetes are at much greater risk to it. So this thing goes after old people and sick people. Hmmmm, that's convenient.

I still feel that "the powers" used this virus to accomplish parts of their agenda, part of that being to bring down our economy. The New World Order people wanted that and the political left wanted it. Sadly, I think they finally found a way to play Trump and got him to go along with it.

What's done is done, but I feel we need to get moving on restarting this economy. Yes, we need to be smart about it, but that little think in the back of my head is telling me that time is critical, and if we don't start reopening some businesses now, a whole lot more of them will not make it.
 
Yeah, the addition of deaths to the NYC count points to a political move to me, to give them a bigger club to beat on the President after what's his name is drafted in place of Biden.
 
When you look at how fast this spread through Italy after both the WHO and China falsely claimed the virus was not transferable from person to person, measures had to be put into place because so much was unknown about it. The last thing the nation wanted was a repeat of the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic when 50M people were killed worldwide; 200K in the US.

As of today, 28,640 people have died from this virus in the US since the first US virus death occurred February 29th. The flu season in the US runs from October to May. Last year, according to the CDC as many as 59K died from the flu. That's an average of 20 deaths a day. The daily death average for coronavirus is currently 609. Now knowing that, does anyone think this virus is no different than the flu? It appears to me, this coronavirus is far more dangerous than the flu.
 
Boss 302 said:
When you look at how fast this spread through Italy after both the WHO and China falsely claimed the virus was not transferable from person to person, measures had to be put into place because so much was unknown about it. The last thing the nation wanted was a repeat of the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic when 50M people were killed worldwide; 200K in the US.

As of today, 28,640 people have died from this virus in the US since the first US virus death occurred February 29th. The flu season in the US runs from October to May. Last year, according to the CDC as many as 59K died from the flu. That's an average of 20 deaths a day. The daily death average for coronavirus is currently 609. Now knowing that, does anyone think this virus is no different than the flu? It appears to me, this coronavirus is far more dangerous than the flu.
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I'm not saying the virus isn't more dangerous, but I now think we did still overreact somewhat. And I wonder if the mitigation is only going to set us up for round 2.

And again, the antibody testing is suggesting that more people have had this stuff than they thought.

There's just a whole lot wrong with the mess.
 
I will say it. When this is all done it will show to be less deadly than the yearly flu and many other causes of death. As I’ve said from the start, all deaths are sad and I’m not negating the loss of anyone. I want to know who is counting the deaths directly associated with the response to the virus (i.e. suicide, murder, overdose, starvation, exposure to elements from becoming homeless)?
 
Guard Dad said:
I'm not saying the virus isn't more dangerous, but I now think we did still overreact somewhat. And I wonder if the mitigation is only going to set us up for round 2.

And again, the antibody testing is suggesting that more people have had this stuff than they thought.

There's just a whole lot wrong with the mess.
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Overreacted how?
 
Boss 302 said:
Overreacted how?
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I think we could have gone easier on the shut downs without significantly increasing exposure, and limited the economic damage. Also, and to be fair, this is in retrospect; I think had we thrown massive resources into getting the good masks to everyone, even more of the shut downs would not have been necessary.

And again...until we get a high percentage of immunity built up, we might have a round 2. In that respect, the shut downs merely delayed the inevitable.
 
By destroying the economy and livelihoods from shelter-in-place orders and shutting down non-essential businesses.
 
Guard Dad said:
I think we could have gone easier on the shut downs without significantly increasing exposure, and limited the economic damage. Also, and to be fair, this is in retrospect; I think had we thrown massive resources into getting the good masks to everyone, even more of the shut downs would not have been necessary.

And again...until we get a high percentage of immunity built up, we might have a round 2. In that respect, the shut downs merely delayed the inevitable.
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How?
 
Boss 302 said:
How?
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I don't have all the answers, but I think they didn't need to go nearly as far with the shut downs and shelter in place.

Sweden took a different approach; they basically isolated the old folks, but left everyone else alone to let nature take it's course. It's worked out very well for them.
 
How about:
People under 30, 'Continue the march',,, do what you normally do.
People 30-45, do what you normally do with 'Social Distancing.
People 45-65, Very strict Social Distancing.
Retirees, Stay the hell home except for Meds, Drs and food during special hours.
 
Guard Dad said:
I don't have all the answers, but I think they didn't need to go nearly as far with the shut downs and shelter in place.

Sweden took a different approach; they basically isolated the old folks, but left everyone else alone to let nature take it's course. It's worked out very well for them.
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Now their cases are sky rocketing, per capita.
 
The U.S. population density is 35/sq km, far down the list of other countries, yet we have 23% of total worldwide deaths (11% from New York alone) and a mortality rate of 5.11% of confirmed cases and is 0.01% of our total population. I'm not a mathematician, doctor, or a scientist but I can't think of any reason to destroy our country's economic system over such numbers. It would have made much more sense to restrict only those higher density population areas (i.e. NYC) than the entire country / world. Again, I'm sorry for those who have been affected by the virus but that topic is apples and oranges when discussing numbers and economics.
 
Paxilpapa said:
How about:
People under 30, 'Continue the march',,, do what you normally do.
People 30-45, do what you normally do with 'Social Distancing.
People 45-65, Very strict Social Distancing.
Retirees, Stay the hell home except for Meds, Drs and food during special hours.
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The problem with that is how do you enforce it because every day, I see way too many people paying no attention at all to social distancing. Yesterday, two women came to drop off donations; clothing that had belonged to their elderly mother who died last week. The first words from one of them was, "Don't worry, we're not sick." How the hell would they know if they had been infected or not when symptoms don't show up for two weeks? I think more people than not automatically assume that if you don't show symptoms you don't have it. Obviously they are too damn stupid because it's plastered on the news all the time.
 
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Boss 302 said:
The problem with that is how do you enforce it because every day, I see way too many people paying no attention at all to social distancing.
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Deputized enforcers with Cattle Prods might do it,,, ones with ten foot handles!!!
 
I don't mean to put a price on life, but I fear that the economic impact of this could be worse than the virus itself. And the economic impact could have it's own health implications.
 
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