Church and Funeral Question

Waski_the_Squirrel

Resident of the least visited state in the nation.
We recently had a funeral at my church and a colleague chewed me out over it this week.

The man who died was widely believed to be a drug user and a drug pusher in the little town about 15 miles south of my church. He was never arrested or charged, this was more a matter of gossip. It didn't help he was on the scuzzy side and lived across the street from that little town's school (which closed 6 years ago). He had dubious employment and seemed to always be surrounded by transient ne'er-do-wells.

He died at age 59 in a way that was likely related to the miscellaneous chemicals he used in life. He never married and alienated his family, but his family has taken on the obligation to bury him.

Several area churches refused to host the funeral, so the family approached us. We agreed to host the funeral. Our feeling was that we don't know what was in his heart at the time of his death. Also, we felt that the funeral is held for the family, not necessarily to "honor" or "endorse" the man's behavior in life.

The woman who chewed me out is from that little town. She was angry that we agreed to host the funeral.

My own opinion is that we did the right thing, as long was we did not honor his deeds or gloss over them. If the man repented of his sins at the end and asked Christ to be his savior, he will be in Heaven, just the same as one who spent a lifetime as a believer. As a church, we don't get to judge who goes to Heaven and who does not. Of course, I wasn't going to get into this conversation in a public place, so I simply told my colleague that I was sorry she felt that way and, when she persisted, that I would be happy to talk to her in my classroom after school. Since she enjoys public scenes, especially when she can play outraged, that discussion has not occurred.

I'm mostly curious: what do your churches do about burial of an objectionable person? Do they refuse? Or do they hold the funeral as my church did? Or have they avoided the situation?
 
You did the right thing. God loves us all, and we're all sinners that fall short of His glory. The lady who chewed you out needs to go back and read her Bible.

Most of the churches I've been involved in will host funerals upon request. I do know that preachers often struggle with doing funerals for people that were apparently unsaved because they aren't sure what to say. But almost everyone has something from their lives that was good and worthy of remembrance; so something nice can usually be found to say of them.

And as you alluded to, none of us could know for sure that he didn't accept Christ in his dying moments. All we can do is hope for the best and let God sort it out.
 
Don't EVEN get me started on mean-spirited, legalistic, judgmental people. Suffice it to say that I think you did the RIGHT thing. I'm proud of y'all. I swear, Imma come visit one of these days. ;)
 
mei lan said:
Don't EVEN get me started on mean-spirited, legalistic, judgmental people. Suffice it to say that I think you did the RIGHT thing. I'm proud of y'all. I swear, Imma come visit one of these days. ;)
::ditto
 
I think the woman who accosted you should re-examine her own life instead of the life of the deceased man.

"But the greatest of these is love"
 
mei lan said:
Don't EVEN get me started on mean-spirited, legalistic, judgmental people. Suffice it to say that I think you did the RIGHT thing. I'm proud of y'all. I swear, Imma come visit one of these days. ;)
gog8tors said:
mei lan said:
Don't EVEN get me started on mean-spirited, legalistic, judgmental people. Suffice it to say that I think you did the RIGHT thing. I'm proud of y'all. I swear, Imma come visit one of these days. ;)
::ditto

::ditto ::ditto

You did the right thing. Next time someone acts like that as them what they think Jesus would do. Good for your church!!
 
You ABSOLUTELY did the right thing. Your motives were pure, unlike the busy body who chewed you out. Everyone has a family. Everyone has friends. Everyone who leaves this earth leaves those people with an empty spot in their heart. Everyone deserves to have their loved one sent off as the family wishes. Indeed, no human being can tell what is in another's heart, including their relationship with their God. No evil was ever done by being gracious, understanding, and forgiving.

I have been to several funerals of people whose lives were cut short by the scourge of addiction, and I can tell you that every one of those people had a good side. The best funeral I went to was one where the preacher used the death as an object lesson, while reassuring the family that the deceased was in a better place. This man had done some horrible things in his life, but I can guarantee you that he regretted every one of them, and struggled to change.

I don't know anything about this man in your town, but I do know that addiction is not a lifestyle choice. People need to keep this in mind. Quite often while we are looking after the transgressions of others, nobody is looking after ours.
 
it is churchs like you talk about that refuse people that give REAL Christians a bad name

it is our job to be the light in the darkness ... not judge and cause more drama
 
I agree with everyone in saying you did just what Christ would expect of you. I'm proud of you and your congregation. Sometimes these "christians" astound me.

About 5 years ago, a co-worker of mine lost his wife to cancer. The young man was no more than 30 years old and was left with five children, under the age of 12 to care for. Another co-worker's wife asked if we (The Pioneers Quartet) would have a benefit singing to raise funds for the deputy and his children.

Mrs. Colson and I were members of a quickly growing and popular church in Hiram at the time. The Pioneers had been invited to sing there a year prior. I told the deputies wife "Of course" we'll do it and thought "P.G." would be a great place (I didn't spell out the name. Local folks will probably know what church I'm talking about). I told her we would try to set it up for a Saturday night.

I called to talk to the pastor and had to leave a message. I was called back by an associate pastor/deacon, who said they would have to present my request to a committee :'( I swear, some of these church folks couldn't have a bowel movement unless it was approved by a committee. I mean, we were members and only needed to use the facility on a Saturday night. Sheeeeesh!

Anyway, it took ver a week and I got my return call. The deacon said that since the deputy was not a member, they would have to decline my request :eek: I. Could. Not. Believe. It! I replied that no, he wasn't a member, but Mrs. Colson, daughter Colson and I were. It didn't make a difference to him....or them.

I told him that I bet if he (the deputy) came to Sunday service and dropped a $100 in the plate, he wouldn't give it back, saying they couldn't accept it because he wasn't a member. :Stick

That was the last of several straws that made me leave P.G. to their quickly growing, liberal, progressive turning selves. :neenerbutt

And some people wonder why "organized religion" has left a bad taste in some folks mouths. :sermon

It sounds like your church has some good folks in it. I know you are thankful for that. They are few and FAR between.
 
You did the right thing.

I'm not on any church committees, so can't say what my church would do. I do know some pastor/priests who would be fine and agree with your way of thinking, and some who would leave it up to the committee.

I think the woman needs to get a real life.
 
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