All is well in the world, now that China...

I'm beginning to the think NYC numbers are no more reliable though and I offer this nugget to consider:

NYC population 8.5M, population density 11k/sq km, Covid related deaths 11,477
Seoul South Korea population 10M, population density 17k/sq km, Covid related deaths 230

Again, I'm no genius and I'll give a plus/minus for inaccuracies but that's not even close.
 
Two things about South Korea. The first is that 60 percent of their cases came from one outbreak in a church that defied suggestions to self isolate.

Second, they employed trap and trace immediately. They were able to do this because their government worked WITH the private sector to develop and distribute tests immediately, before the infection took hold. The infected and their contacts were instructed to self isolate while the rest of the country practiced social distancing only.

Our testing per capita is still nowhere near their immediate capacity.
 
No disrespect to you but I don't believe it's because 10M people were controlled that quickly before the virus could spread, it's just not logical. Seoul has a larger population and larger population density yet multiples times lower the number of cases and deaths, not to mention being physically located to the virus' place of origin. If China's is guilty of denying and covering the details of the virus then it's logical to conclude it would have reached Seoul before adequate precautions could be taken. NYC had weeks of advance notice and still record the most numbers by far.

Seoul is just one example. The NYC numbers are ridiculous. There, I said it. At one point people will have to explain why their numbers are outside the spectrum or at least explain why their response was ineffective.
 
J-man said:
No disrespect to you but I don't believe it's because 10M people were controlled that quickly before the virus could spread, it's just not logical. Seoul has a larger population and larger population density yet multiples times lower the number of cases and deaths, not to mention being physically located to the virus' place of origin. If China's is guilty of denying and covering the details of the virus then it's logical to conclude it would have reached Seoul before adequate precautions could be taken. NYC had weeks of advance notice and still record the most numbers by far.

Seoul is just one example. The NYC numbers are ridiculous. There, I said it. At one point people will have to explain why their numbers are outside the spectrum or at least explain why their response was ineffective.
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I didn't say they were controlled. In fact, South Korea had far fewer restrictions than the US. They were tested far more vigorously and immediately, and those who tested positive were not only quarantined for 14 days, so we're their contacts. By the middle of March, they had tested 1 out of every 150 citizens and every positive test had their contacts traced. This allowed the majority of their population to go about their jobs with only social distancing, not a lockdown. We're catching up on testing, but because of our late start, we are behind the eight ball.
 
Sorry, I still don't buy it. Even if they tested 1 out of every 150, there were still 149 untested but potentially infected people spreading it yet their country reports relatively few cases and deaths.

My issue is with the U.S. numbers when compared to other countries as well as the numbers of certain U.S. cities. We've completely destroyed our economy and many people's livelihoods over the exact same virus which affected all other regions of the world yet the U.S. reports substantially more cases and deaths even though we've test fewer.

Must be some of that new Common Core math.
 
I don't know if this graphic helps explain it or not. They make it obvious that SK began testing right out of the box and we screwed around for about a full month. That meant that they were able to quarantine actual sick people right away, and therefore had much less spread.
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I’ll let it rest, there’s no point. I’ll just accept we have the highest numbers even though we had more warning, locked down society, and are supposedly a first world country with the best medical system in the world. Maybe we should learn a few things from others. I’m just glad it wasn’t another Spanish flu or swine flu, one that really took it toil and had a high mortality rate.

Now everyone off to the soup line before they run out for the day and don’t forget your mask. No mask...no soup for you.
 
I think it's safe to say that, absent a vaccine which isn't expected for another year or more and possibly never, pretty much everyone will eventually get the virus. We can't contain it and we can't realistically test everyone often enough to know who all has it at any given time. All these people on TV keep saying we need massive testing but it's just not possible given the population size.

Fortunately, most will not even know they have it and most of those that do will just have mild symptoms. So, let's get back to work soon and see where it goes from here.
 
Yeah, containment wasn't going to be possible as many in government would not have supported closing the boarder as fast as they needed to be. Look at how much whining there was when they did get closed. Therefore we have no choice but to go for mass immunity. This thing is mutating too fast for a vaccination to be of much use. Pretty much the same as the flu shot, which protects you from some, but not the new, strains each year.
 
The Sound Guy said:
Yeah, containment wasn't going to be possible as many in government would not have supported closing the boarder as fast as they needed to be. Look at how much whining there was when they did get closed. Therefore we have no choice but to go for mass immunity. This thing is mutating too fast for a vaccination to be of much use. Pretty much the same as the flu shot, which protects you from some, but not the new, strains each year.
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I haven't seen any evidence of mutation. There is evidence that those who were asymptomatic or had few symptoms may not have enough antibodies to fight off a second round.
 
The early info from China said the virus mutated quickly. Later info said it mutated very slowly, it at all.

So, I don't know.
 
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