Yellow Brick Toll Road

honeybunny

honeybunny

Pursuit Driver
A thread to discuss the toll road :

I will start off by saying up front that I am opposed to this project
based on various quality of life issues, as it cuts close to my home.

I also have concerns about crony capitalism, lack of transparency,
and the always inevitable siphoning from the teat of the taxpayer.

I welcome any opinions, questions, information, or concerns... :popcorn
 
honeybunny said:
A thread to discuss the toll road :

I will start off by saying up front that I am opposed to this project
based on various quality of life issues, as it cuts close to my home.

I also have concerns about crony capitalism, lack of transparency,
and the always inevitable siphoning from the teat of the taxpayer.

I welcome any opinions, questions, information, or concerns... :popcorn
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I don't like eminent domain as a rule and I sure don't want it used for a private business. I don't like the idea that they will have total control of repairs or the lack thereof. I do not like the fact that the toll would never stop. I guess I am more against it than for it. I do not see it as a "fix it" for Paulding jobs.
 
I'm leaning more to "NO" as well. I would like to think this would be a step to progress and could potentially be helpful to our community, but I've become rather jaded over the last decade. I'm afraid we'd end up regretting it.
 
Well since I have been accused of over reacting, I'll share my view here. Y'all can let me know if I'm overreacting or not.

























NO Don't do it, it stinks!!
 
Pubby posted that it looked like the Admin in Paulding is backing off this idea. I am still worried about that other shoe I think may be out there. :tapfoot2
 
newsjunky said:
Pubby psted that it looked like the Admin in Paulding is backing off this idea. I am still worried about that other shoe I think may be out there. :tapfoot2
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This is the stupidest idea yet from this group of know-nothings. I'm dead serious when I say it will only cost us money and greenspace. This is not the way to attract businesses. Businesses come to areas that want them to come, the communities "romance" them with lots of incentives. In turn the business gives back to the community. They have gone about this the wrong way for so long, they have no clue what they are doing. It's a give and take from the business, not a take, take, take from the community. They seriously need to get some business people working on the building authority or we are destined to forever be a losing value, bedroom community.
 
naturegirl said:
newsjunky said:
Pubby psted that it looked like the Admin in Paulding is backing off this idea. I am still worried about that other shoe I think may be out there. :tapfoot2
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This is the stupidest idea yet from this group of know-nothings. I'm dead serious when I say it will only cost us money and greenspace. This is not the way to attract businesses. Businesses come to areas that want them to come, the communities "romance" them with lots of incentives. In turn the business gives back to the community. They have gone about this the wrong way for so long, they have no clue what they are doing. It's a give and take from the business, not a take, take, take from the community. They seriously need to get some business people working on the building authority or we are destined to forever be a losing value, bedroom community.
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BINGO!

My husband and I are from Polk County. We joke around with others about how backward they are. But I will tell you this....bringing industry to the community was something the leadership did WELL! (I use the past tense, because I'm not sure about now and I know they've lost several major companies in recent years.)

Our leaders need to find out how small communities like Polk, West Point, etc. have done it. None of those areas have a "major toll road" for access. With the railroad just up 278, and 92, 278, etc. providing adequate avenues for shipping, I don't buy that those are the reasons for lack of progress. These businesses need incentive to be here. Period.
 
Well, as some know I'm in real estate and have been in Paulding Co more then 20 years. I also have extensive study in commercial real estate as well as business brokerage. I have owned several businesses prior to real estate and have been a very active member of the Chamber of Commerce for many year in the past that included completing Leadership Paulding in 2000. So I have a little background on this topic.

Now I have to admit that I have not kept up with the details of the road project, I know full well that the devil is in the details! Not sure I agree with a "Toll" road but if that is the only way our cash strapped govt's can do a major road project, then it's worth looking into it.

But I highly agree with the placement of the road project and now is the time to really push such a project. Mainly because of land values and lower populations in that side of the County. The potential for commercial and economic development is tremendous, greater then many can imagine. We are talking 1000's of possible high paying jobs!

There will be a road at some point connecting I-75 and I-20, then to I-85 and all the way to I-75. It will happen and there will not be a way to stop it. For real economic growth in Paulding, we must have some type of direct access to an interstate hwy. Otherwise we will remain a bedroom community to Counties that do, building more homes will be our ONLY economic engine for this County.

But before I would support THIS road project I would have to know a lot more about it and who all is behind it. As I said, The devil is in the details!
 
This road will not help the people of Paulding County. It will be a short cut for truckers and vacationers trying to get AROUND Atlanta, not to Paulding. Most Paulding traffic is trying to access the commercial districts of Kennesaw, Marietta, and Atlanta from home. This road will bring noise, pollution, and an impediment to that east-west traffic by bisecting the county. This is the epitome of wrongheaded crony capitalism where the taxpayer gets the adverse quality of life effects, the private company gets the profit, and the politicians get a reelection cash cow for using their bully power to take what is rightfully someone else's.

NE Paulding is within striking distance of I-75, and all of southern Paulding is just 4 miles from I-20. We have excellent access by rail also. This road is not designed to serve the citizens of Paulding, it is designed to use them.

For many years the government of Paulding used residential developer money to line their pockets while trampling the rights of the citizens of this county. Now they are simply switching suppliers. We need commercial development. We need warehouses, factories, retail centers, and service industries. This is not the way to get those. This is not a case of if we build it they will come, this is a case of if we build it they will bypass us.
 
lotstodo said:
This road will not help the people of Paulding County. It will be a short cut for truckers and vacationers trying to get AROUND Atlanta, not to Paulding. Most Paulding traffic is trying to access the commercial districts of Kennesaw, Marietta, and Atlanta from home. This road will bring noise, pollution, and an impediment to that east-west traffic by bisecting the county. This is the epitome of wrongheaded crony capitalism where the taxpayer gets the adverse quality of life effects, the private company gets the profit, and the politicians get a reelection cash cow for using their bully power to take what is rightfully someone else's.

NE Paulding is within striking distance of I-75, and all of southern Paulding is just 4 miles from I-20. We have excellent access by rail also. This road is not designed to serve the citizens of Paulding, it is designed to use them.

For many years the government of Paulding used residential developer money to line their pockets while trampling the rights of the citizens of this county. Now they are simply switching suppliers. We need commercial development. We need warehouses, factories, retail centers, and service industries. This is not the way to get those. This is not a case of if we build it they will come, this is a case of if we build it they will bypass us.
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I know you JUST retired, but when will you run for office? WE NEED YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I'm Floored said:
lotstodo said:
This road will not help the people of Paulding County. It will be a short cut for truckers and vacationers trying to get AROUND Atlanta, not to Paulding. Most Paulding traffic is trying to access the commercial districts of Kennesaw, Marietta, and Atlanta from home. This road will bring noise, pollution, and an impediment to that east-west traffic by bisecting the county. This is the epitome of wrongheaded crony capitalism where the taxpayer gets the adverse quality of life effects, the private company gets the profit, and the politicians get a reelection cash cow for using their bully power to take what is rightfully someone else's.

NE Paulding is within striking distance of I-75, and all of southern Paulding is just 4 miles from I-20. We have excellent access by rail also. This road is not designed to serve the citizens of Paulding, it is designed to use them.

For many years the government of Paulding used residential developer money to line their pockets while trampling the rights of the citizens of this county. Now they are simply switching suppliers. We need commercial development. We need warehouses, factories, retail centers, and service industries. This is not the way to get those. This is not a case of if we build it they will come, this is a case of if we build it they will bypass us.
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I know you JUST retired, but when will you run for office? WE NEED YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yes we do!!!!
 
lotstodo said:
This road will not help the people of Paulding County. It will be a short cut for truckers and vacationers trying to get AROUND Atlanta, not to Paulding. Most Paulding traffic is trying to access the commercial districts of Kennesaw, Marietta, and Atlanta from home. This road will bring noise, pollution, and an impediment to that east-west traffic by bisecting the county. This is the epitome of wrongheaded crony capitalism where the taxpayer gets the adverse quality of life effects, the private company gets the profit, and the politicians get a reelection cash cow for using their bully power to take what is rightfully someone else's.

NE Paulding is within striking distance of I-75, and all of southern Paulding is just 4 miles from I-20. We have excellent access by rail also. This road is not designed to serve the citizens of Paulding, it is designed to use them.

For many years the government of Paulding used residential developer money to line their pockets while trampling the rights of the citizens of this county. Now they are simply switching suppliers. We need commercial development. We need warehouses, factories, retail centers, and service industries. This is not the way to get those. This is not a case of if we build it they will come, this is a case of if we build it they will bypass us.
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LTD, I beg to differ greatly. One, we have railroads in the County but we have NO ACCESS to the railroad, yet. One has been approved and it's the ONLY location in the County the railroad will allow it.

And how do you expect heavy industrial, warehouses, etc to be successful in this County without quick and direct access to an interstate? Dabbs Bridge will get a direct access point, but that's it. And we may be 4 miles to I-20 but the routes are almost all restricted for truck traffic. Hwy 92, Hwy 61 and hwy 101 are the only roads permitted for trucks and none of those have easy access.

I'm not saying THIS road project is a good thing as I have not kept up with the latest info. It may not be. But this County will never grow out of it's "bedroom" status until we have direct access to an Interstate. And the area where they want to run this road is less then 20% developed, so it would be the best location choice to put a major road.

The State has been working on this for a VERY long time. It's going to happen. When and how has not been fully worked out yet.
 
newsjunky said:
Pubby posted that it looked like the Admin in Paulding is backing off this idea. I am still worried about that other shoe I think may be out there. :tapfoot2
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If the project is dead, why has nobody bothered to notify the public and cancel the meeting ? ? ?
 
Winchester said:
lotstodo said:
This road will not help the people of Paulding County. It will be a short cut for truckers and vacationers trying to get AROUND Atlanta, not to Paulding. Most Paulding traffic is trying to access the commercial districts of Kennesaw, Marietta, and Atlanta from home. This road will bring noise, pollution, and an impediment to that east-west traffic by bisecting the county. This is the epitome of wrongheaded crony capitalism where the taxpayer gets the adverse quality of life effects, the private company gets the profit, and the politicians get a reelection cash cow for using their bully power to take what is rightfully someone else's.

NE Paulding is within striking distance of I-75, and all of southern Paulding is just 4 miles from I-20. We have excellent access by rail also. This road is not designed to serve the citizens of Paulding, it is designed to use them.

For many years the government of Paulding used residential developer money to line their pockets while trampling the rights of the citizens of this county. Now they are simply switching suppliers. We need commercial development. We need warehouses, factories, retail centers, and service industries. This is not the way to get those. This is not a case of if we build it they will come, this is a case of if we build it they will bypass us.
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LTD, I beg to differ greatly. One, we have railroads in the County but we have NO ACCESS to the railroad, yet. One has been approved and it's the ONLY location in the County the railroad will allow it.

And how do you expect heavy industrial, warehouses, etc to be successful in this County without quick and direct access to an interstate? Dabbs Bridge will get a direct access point, but that's it. And we may be 4 miles to I-20 but the routes are almost all restricted for truck traffic. Hwy 92, Hwy 61 and hwy 101 are the only roads permitted for trucks and none of those have easy access.

I'm not saying THIS road project is a good thing as I have not kept up with the latest info. It may not be. But this County will never grow out of it's "bedroom" status until we have direct access to an Interstate. And the area where they want to run this road is less then 20% developed, so it would be the best location choice to put a major road.

The State has been working on this for a VERY long time. It's going to happen. When and how has not been fully worked out yet.
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Winchester, I beg to differ. Putting a road in Paulding will not bring more business to an area that has no clue how to attract business. I realize you are in real estate but..........that just might be clouding your judgement. Certainly a real estate person can see the benefit of an express route around Atlanta but can you see the whole picture?? I feel you may be a little biased based on your line of work.

Why does Paulding County not have any businesses now?? Why did Shaw leave?? Don't tell me because there is no access, Polk County has several large businesses and are further away from interstate access than Paulding. I agree with LTD, it will be a by-pass not a direct route. Sure there might be a couple of businesses that pop up right next to an exit (if we even have one) but they will be gas stations and fast food. Maybe another Wal-mart.

Paulding needs to spend some time discovering what it takes to attract business to our area, it isn't a road that takes them 50 West of Atlanta. It isn't a road they will have to pay to use. It isn't a road that Polk County or Carroll won't even consider. They're grasping at straws and using the same analogies they've used it the past. 278 and the airport are a perfect examples of that.
 
Drive around I-285, get off at every exit and drive 2 miles in either direction. Do this at every exit, or at least those that you feel like you can survive. That is what "development" you will find. You will find gas stations, fast food joints, bars, and cheap motels. The exceptions to that rule are industrial complexes that existed before I-285 was completed, including Fulton Industrial, Conley, and the Mountain Industrial area which isn't really served by an interstate, but by an expanded State Highway. We don't need that kind of development growing willy nilly around the few exits that will be here. What we need is prudent industrial development accessible from US 41, and Hwys 61 , 278 and 92. We should be fighting for the needed expansion of these arterial highways, and a zoning board with balls instead of buying into some "Developmental" toll road that will only develop the developer's and politician's bank accounts while leaving us with noise, congestion, pollution, and low quality development catering to the traveling public.
 
My two cents worth is that if people want progress, and easy access to interstates all they have to do is move their butts to a more crowded closer to the interstate counties, and leave the "country" to us folks who prefer a more layed back, quiet, country home atmosphere.
 
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