The Myth Of Government Job Creation...

[honeybunny]

More and more I am seeing regular reasonable people (including Conservatives) seeming to accept the notion
that job creation using taxpayer revenue is a legitimate function of county (or state and federal) government.

Given our local situation with the controversial airport, empty film studio and proposed convention center;
I really would like to sample your thoughts on the issue of government taxpayer sponsored job creation...



http://www.principlesofliberty.org/News/The%20Myth%20of%20Government%20Job%20Creation.pdf


That Which Is Seen And That Which Is not Seen : http://bastiat.org/en/twisatwins.html



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[Blazing Saddles]

Don't get me started. Not this conservative.

 

[honeybunny]

Don't get me started. Not this conservative.

Please get started... this conversation is needed.


:B_S :B_S :B_S

 

[LisaC]

Okay, I'm cross posting with the other site here. But maybe between the two, I will get a better understanding of things (even with BS chiming in). :Ninja

Who owns the movie studio? I haven't dug into it, but from the news link, it appears to be privately owned. So, the most the county might give them is a property and maybe a sales tax break, right? Or, is the county spending money on the studio? :dunno :dunno

 

[ShoeDiva]

Okay, I'm cross posting with the other site here. But maybe between the two, I will get a better understanding of things (even with BS chiming in). :Ninja

Who owns the movie studio? I haven't dug into it, but from the news link, it appears to be privately owned. So, the most the county might give them is a property and maybe a sales tax break, right? Or, is the county spending money on the studio? :dunno :dunno

I thought the county owned it.

 

[LisaC]

Okay, I'm cross posting with the other site here. But maybe between the two, I will get a better understanding of things (even with BS chiming in). :Ninja

Who owns the movie studio? I haven't dug into it, but from the news link, it appears to be privately owned. So, the most the county might give them is a property and maybe a sales tax break, right? Or, is the county spending money on the studio? :dunno :dunno

I thought the county owned it.

It's operated by RoadTown Enterprises, but Paulding County Industrial Building Authority owns the property. I gotta do some more digging...

 

[ShoeDiva]

Okay, I'm cross posting with the other site here. But maybe between the two, I will get a better understanding of things (even with BS chiming in). :Ninja

Who owns the movie studio? I haven't dug into it, but from the news link, it appears to be privately owned. So, the most the county might give them is a property and maybe a sales tax break, right? Or, is the county spending money on the studio? :dunno :dunno

I thought the county owned it.

It's operated by RoadTown Enterprises, but Paulding County Industrial Building Authority owns the property. I gotta do some more digging...

Dig..I will wait. )

 

[LisaC]

This is an interesting article from 2011 that appeared in Georgia Trend. It's pretty comprehensive in that it discusses the airport, movie studio, convention center, and new hospital.

http://www.georgiatrend.com/June-2011/Paulding-County-Open-For-Business/


And, here is what folks are now talking about when they wonder how much the movie studio is costing - apparently the county used bond funds to build the studio and if the studio cannot make enough money to pay the payments, the county assumes the liability.

http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/15257302/movie-studio-construction-could-be-horror-for-taxpayers

Now, the question becomes, has the movie studio generated enough money to make those payments? More digging (unless someone already knows the answer to this)...

 

[ShoeDiva]

This is an interesting article from 2011 that appeared in Georgia Trend. It's pretty comprehensive in that it discusses the airport, movie studio, convention center, and new hospital.

http://www.georgiatrend.com/June-2011/Paulding-County-Open-For-Business/


And, here is what folks are now talking about when they wonder how much the movie studio is costing - apparently the county used bond funds to build the studio and if the studio cannot make enough money to pay the payments, the county assumes the liability.

http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/15257302/movie-studio-construction-could-be-horror-for-taxpayers

Now, the question becomes, has the movie studio generated enough money to make those payments? More digging (unless someone already knows the answer to this)...

:thumbsup Thanks.

 

[honeybunny]

This is an interesting article from 2011 that appeared in Georgia Trend. It's pretty comprehensive in that it discusses the airport, movie studio, convention center, and new hospital.

http://www.georgiatrend.com/June-2011/Paulding-County-Open-For-Business/


And, here is what folks are now talking about when they wonder how much the movie studio is costing - apparently the county used bond funds to build the studio and if the studio cannot make enough money to pay the payments, the county assumes the liability.

http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/15257302/movie-studio-construction-could-be-horror-for-taxpayers

Now, the question becomes, has the movie studio generated enough money to make those payments? More digging (unless someone already knows the answer to this)...

The question remains... is it acceptable or desirable for county government to "create jobs" sponsored with taxpayer dollars ? ? ?

 

[deewee]

This is an interesting article from 2011 that appeared in Georgia Trend. It's pretty comprehensive in that it discusses the airport, movie studio, convention center, and new hospital.

http://www.georgiatrend.com/June-2011/Paulding-County-Open-For-Business/


And, here is what folks are now talking about when they wonder how much the movie studio is costing - apparently the county used bond funds to build the studio and if the studio cannot make enough money to pay the payments, the county assumes the liability.

http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/15257302/movie-studio-construction-could-be-horror-for-taxpayers

Now, the question becomes, has the movie studio generated enough money to make those payments? More digging (unless someone already knows the answer to this)...

From what I understand the movie studio has done nothing but lose money & guess who gets to pay?

 

[LisaC]

This is an interesting article from 2011 that appeared in Georgia Trend. It's pretty comprehensive in that it discusses the airport, movie studio, convention center, and new hospital.

http://www.georgiatrend.com/June-2011/Paulding-County-Open-For-Business/


And, here is what folks are now talking about when they wonder how much the movie studio is costing - apparently the county used bond funds to build the studio and if the studio cannot make enough money to pay the payments, the county assumes the liability.

http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/15257302/movie-studio-construction-could-be-horror-for-taxpayers

Now, the question becomes, has the movie studio generated enough money to make those payments? More digging (unless someone already knows the answer to this)...

The question remains... is it acceptable or desirable for county government to "create jobs" sponsored with taxpayer dollars ? ? ?

It depends on how successful they are at it.

 

[honeybunny]

This is an interesting article from 2011 that appeared in Georgia Trend. It's pretty comprehensive in that it discusses the airport, movie studio, convention center, and new hospital.

http://www.georgiatrend.com/June-2011/Paulding-County-Open-For-Business/


And, here is what folks are now talking about when they wonder how much the movie studio is costing - apparently the county used bond funds to build the studio and if the studio cannot make enough money to pay the payments, the county assumes the liability.

http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/15257302/movie-studio-construction-could-be-horror-for-taxpayers

Now, the question becomes, has the movie studio generated enough money to make those payments? More digging (unless someone already knows the answer to this)...

The question remains... is it acceptable or desirable for county government to "create jobs" sponsored with taxpayer dollars ? ? ?

It depends on how successful they are at it.

Not really... it depends on your stance regarding the proper role of government.

 

[naturegirl]

The movie studio is bleeding, profusely. Hoping to see if anyone is interested in using it at the IBA meeting today. I believe it has been sitting idle for months.

By all means do your own research, what I have discovered in the last three months leaves me :confused

 

[ShoeDiva]

The movie studio is bleeding, profusely. Hoping to see if anyone is interested in using it at the IBA meeting today. I believe it has been sitting idle for months.

By all means do your own research, what I have discovered in the last three months leaves me

I always thought the movie studio was a weird thing to have here. I also remember speaking with commissioners that were on the fence on whether it would be a profitable venture. :dunno Though if we get an airport and possibly a convention center it would make more sense. Maybe they were just ahead of the game when building it. )

I do think that somehow privatizing it would be much better and I have a feeling it would get more use.

 

[Blazing Saddles]

I do think that somehow privatizing it would be much better and I have a feeling it would get more use.

this is the key to just about everything. If it was something that could make money, the private sector would have seen the need and probably put a studio here. Instead, we get govt involved and now we have buildings and contacts to burden the taxpayers with.

 

[ShoeDiva]

I do think that somehow privatizing it would be much better and I have a feeling it would get more use.

this is the key to just about everything. If it was something that could make money, the private sector would have seen the need and probably put a studio here. Instead, we get govt involved and now we have buildings and contacts to burden the taxpayers with.

I can agree that with most all the private sector would be better. They can not afford to lose money. I am not sure of the initial reasoning behind doing it and as I said I know some of the commissioners were leery, but the problem is now it is here. Either sell it to someone, convert it for better business use, or make it work. Obviously if they are losing money they do not have the right person running it. Get a better company. Do something where it is not a burden and can run in the black.

 

[deewee]

How did the movie studio come to be anyway?

 

[Blazing Saddles]

I do think that somehow privatizing it would be much better and I have a feeling it would get more use.

this is the key to just about everything. If it was something that could make money, the private sector would have seen the need and probably put a studio here. Instead, we get govt involved and now we have buildings and contacts to burden the taxpayers with.

I can agree that with most all the private sector would be better. They can not afford to lose money. I am not sure of the initial reasoning behind doing it and as I said I know some of the commissioners were leery, but the problem is now it is here. Either sell it to someone, convert it for better business use, or make it work. Obviously if they are losing money they do not have the right person running it. Get a better company. Do something where it is not a burden and can run in the black.

They should have never done it the way it was done. That's the whole point of this thread. Seems govts don't learn the lesson. That's the whole point of the thread. The question is the myth of govt job creation. That's the point of the thread. Lets not continue to do the same mistakes OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER. Don't just say "the problem is now, it is here". Lets all do something about it. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome. It doesn't happen that way.

 

[LisaC]

The movie studio is bleeding, profusely. Hoping to see if anyone is interested in using it at the IBA meeting today. I believe it has been sitting idle for months.

By all means do your own research, what I have discovered in the last three months leaves me

I always thought the movie studio was a weird thing to have here. I also remember speaking with commissioners that were on the fence on whether it would be a profitable venture. :dunno Though if we get an airport and possibly a convention center it would make more sense. Maybe they were just ahead of the game when building it. )

I do think that somehow privatizing it would be much better and I have a feeling it would get more use.

I honestly believed that the movie studio was private, and when you look at what Newnan has been able to do with a movie studio (which I'm not sure if that is privately owned or not), I can see what our county was thinking. However, if it isn't profitable, they need to look at their game plan and see what/who is limiting the studio and keeping it from attracting filming to our area. I'm not opposed to our government participating in joint ventures with private industry if it is handled appropriately and it is something the county has great and successful experience in. If the studio is losing money, then the marketing, management and oversight of it needs to be re-evaluated. Sometimes, it's a simple matter of not advertising, other times, it can be the economy, or it could be poor management, among other things. Without actually seeing how the operation is run, it's impossible for us to tell.

As for my stance in the proper role of government - the government can be a business and it is an employer. We have worked with several very successful government entities over the years.