"The Demon-Haunted World"

Waski_the_Squirrel

Resident of the least visited state in the nation.
I just finished Carl Sagan's The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark.

In the book, he goes through all kinds of cases of superstition substituting for reason. People like to believe things without evidence, and people are easy to manipulate. As a people, we definitely don't like it when authority is questioned (except when we decide we don't like the authority). But, Carl Sagan proposes doing exactly that: questioning why.

Skepticism should be an integral part of science classes. Too many people seem to think science should be a dogmatic set of facts to be learned, but they totally miss the point. Science is scary because it's about questioning, supporting conclusions with evidence, and being willing to change your mind in the light of new evidence. That's how it should be taught in school.

And it is really sad when people question the validity of science because it changes. They don't seem to get that that's the whole point: it changes in light of new evidence, and there is no such thing as "settled science." Now it's unlikely that many theories will be undermined, but science is open to it. I'm about to teach conservation of mass to my freshmen, but Einstein added some new wrinkles to that.

Sagan gets into the dangers of pseudoscience, the witch trials and burnings, and the persecution of John Wycliffe.

On the topic of the book, Sagan points out how important it was that the founding fathers of this country had scientific minds rather than dogmatic minds. They questioned, experimented, and created a nation like nothing before seen. Even though they had their blind spots (slavery), they created something pretty amazing. And, what if more kids grew up questioning rather than blindly accepting? It's uncomfortable to have your beliefs questioned, especially when you really don't have a reason to believe them. But what a world that would be!

 
Interesting, I've put that one on my wishlist.

One to pass back to you - "Tales of Tinfoil: Stories of Paranoia and Conspiracy" by Nick Cole. Fictional stories, based on a number of "popular" conspiracies. I've not finished it yet, but the ones I've read are pretty entertaining.

No implications were implied or stated in this comment ...

lol
 
I have found throughout life that those who understand the definition of science are few and far between. Those who understand the difference between science and belief are fewer, and those who fully comprehend the Scientific Method of inquiry, are a handful per hundred.

To further confuse the ignorant, the politicization of science has made it nearly impossible for the regular citizen to separate the two. People fail to ask for evidence for themselves and will believe the loudest voice, even if it is the charlatan out for personal gain, or the conspiracy theorist. In fact, these kind of detractors often make it difficult for true skeptics with valid questions to be heard over the din. In fact it is skeptical science that has historically pushed the knowledge of man forward. When one looks at the new fields in physics and how radical the ideas are, and then understands that these people were not led there by vision or belief, but by mathematical and physical evidence, the breadth of the field becomes obvious. The fact that in spite of the years of dedication the fact that their research might lead to a dead end is OK, makes science that more open to denialists and manipulators from outside the fields.

I know that some of you are thinking sure, LTD, I have heard you talk out against anthropogenic global warming. You are just as bad as the rest of the hypocrites out there. But remember this, I would have answered the questionnaire affirmatively that led to the statement that "97% of the scientists out there believe that anthropogenic global warming is real". That is because I do believe that it is real. What I don't believe is the politicians taking unrefined models, incomplete histories, and glaring inconsistencies and devising a statist plan that will change the outcome by less than the margin of error at a cost that may very well far, far, far exceed the benefits. I also don't believe some of the actors in the scientific field itself who have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that they are not objective, or a research system that is designed to pay for certain results instead of research. The hard science that is there is strong enough to make the case that AGW is absolutely real. The thermal scale we are talking about is however rather minute, and the cost of small compounded errors that might not change the statement but can drastically change our future are enormous. I am not a believer in the statement that "we must do something". What we must do is something right, and I don't think the jury is in on that yet, particularly when the most prominent solutions out there really involve nothing more than redistribution of income and the restriction of rights at the hand of governments.
 
MacDaddy date=1441644376 said:
One to pass back to you - "Tales of Tinfoil: Stories of Paranoia and Conspiracy" by Nick Cole. Fictional stories, based on a number of "popular" conspiracies. I've not finished it yet, but the ones I've read are pretty entertaining.

I'll look into it. Conspiracy theories are interesting.
 
lotstodo date=1441650984 said:
I have found throughout life that those who understand the definition of science are few and far between. Those who understand the difference between science and belief are fewer, and those who fully comprehend the Scientific Method of inquiry, are a handful per hundred.

To further confuse the ignorant, the politicization of science has made it nearly impossible for the regular citizen to separate the two. People fail to ask for evidence for themselves and will believe the loudest voice, even if it is the charlatan out for personal gain, or the conspiracy theorist. In fact, these kind of detractors often make it difficult for true skeptics with valid questions to be heard over the din. In fact it is skeptical science that has historically pushed the knowledge of man forward. When one looks at the new fields in physics and how radical the ideas are, and then understands that these people were not led there by vision or belief, but by mathematical and physical evidence, the breadth of the field becomes obvious. The fact that in spite of the years of dedication the fact that their research might lead to a dead end is OK, makes science that more open to denialists and manipulators from outside the fields.

I know that some of you are thinking sure, LTD, I have heard you talk out against anthropogenic global warming. You are just as bad as the rest of the hypocrites out there. But remember this, I would have answered the questionnaire affirmatively that led to the statement that "97% of the scientists out there believe that anthropogenic global warming is real". That is because I do believe that it is real. What I don't believe is the politicians taking unrefined models, incomplete histories, and glaring inconsistencies and devising a statist plan that will change the outcome by less than the margin of error at a cost that may very well far, far, far exceed the benefits. I also don't believe some of the actors in the scientific field itself who have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that they are not objective, or a research system that is designed to pay for certain results instead of research. The hard science that is there is strong enough to make the case that AGW is absolutely real. The thermal scale we are talking about is however rather minute, and the cost of small compounded errors that might not change the statement but can drastically change our future are enormous. I am not a believer in the statement that "we must do something". What we must do is something right, and I don't think the jury is in on that yet, particularly when the most prominent solutions out there really involve nothing more than redistribution of income and the restriction of rights at the hand of governments.
Science = What I think to be a fact
Belief = What others think to be a fact
Scientific Method of Inquiry = When someone asks for my thoughts or opinions
 
MacDaddy date=1441644376 said:
Interesting, I've put that one on my wishlist.

One to pass back to you - "Tales of Tinfoil: Stories of Paranoia and Conspiracy" by Nick Cole. Fictional stories, based on a number of "popular" conspiracies. I've not finished it yet, but the ones I've read are pretty entertaining.

No implications were implied or stated in this comment ...

lol
Sounds like I a good one.
Off to see if it's available on kindel.
 
MacDaddy date=1441644376 said:
Interesting, I've put that one on my wishlist.

One to pass back to you - "Tales of Tinfoil: Stories of Paranoia and Conspiracy" by Nick Cole. Fictional stories, based on a number of "popular" conspiracies. I've not finished it yet, but the ones I've read are pretty entertaining.

No implications were implied or stated in this comment ...

lol
I might have to read this one. After being a participant in a few forums I have invested in Tinfoil Hats for the paranoid and delusional, this might give me a few more ideas of who should be targeted to wear them! :D ;D :)) :laugh :laugh :laugh
 
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