Paulding Airport

naturegirl said:
First let me say, Winchester I'm so glad you came in this thread. I was waiting to hear what you had to say.

Second, LTD has some very valid points and questions. The problem with these elected officials in Paulding County is they don't have a plan, they just do. I understand Blake Swafford and Jerry Shearin are good buddies, that throws up bunches of red flags.

The fact this was done behind closed doors, committing the airport to someone else for 40 years is mind blowing.

I don't know if Todd knew about this or not. I've known him for years and don't believe he would say he didn't if he did know. The way I see it, Todd is the only hope to keep that Good Ole' Boy system in check.

Let's wait and see what Delta and Atlanta do with the FAA on this. ;)
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I fully understand how it may look, but this is how big commercial projects are done in both the private sector and public/Govt. Non Disclosure Agreements mean just that, no disclosures to anyone. I've been involved in some small deals where NDA's were signed and they can have legal ramifications if you violate them. Heck, I have and NDA with the DoD (Department of Defense) that states imprisonment for just stating I worked on their software project.

There is a tremendous amount of work that goes into these types of deals, at great expense. Big business is very competitive and cut-throat. We see that as soon as it was announced that Delta and the ATL Airport want to stop them. Why? Because it could take business away from them is why. They want to stomp out competition any way possible.

I knew David, Tommy and Todd long before they run for office. David and Todd were my competitors and Tommy was a customer. I also got to know Jerry Shearin on a personal level while he was in office and afterwards. None of them are or were part of the "Good ole Boys" network. Not like it was before Jerry took office. Proof in that is what is he doing (for work) now? He's gone back into what he did before taking office, selling insurance. Before that, he was working with family laying cable and as a consultant to Govt Affairs for a cable company.

There is a plan for the entire airport project. One that won a major award from the US Dept of Commerce a few years back. It's expansive and will take 20 to 30 years to complete. This plan also includes 7500 acres of green space within the 10,000 acre track currently owned by the City of Atlanta. Which was deeded that the City can only sell this land back to the County at the same price they paid in 70's, I think it's $4,500 per acre or something like that. The City has 2 choices, build a major commercial airport or sell it back to Paulding County.
 
For some reason this site gets really slow on my computer when I make a long post. Had to break this up.


I personally think this is the one big deal that could change this County from building low end pipe farms to a high end industrial friendly County that will bring lots of good paying jobs. Maybe we can finally get more then 25% of the residents working INSIDE the County instead of driving to other Counties to work.

This what you have to do to get this type of development instead of building 1000's of starter homes for low income families. There was always going to be an airport built on that property, it was just never known who or how it was going to be built. The City of Atl could have done it and the County would not have had any control but all the expenses (look at Clayton Co). Now the County has full control. Just imagine what people would have said if ATL had gone with their plans?
 
I think the airport will eventually be a good investment for Paulding. But yes, it has been mishandled and politicians have done what they do best.
 
Winchester said:
I fully understand how it may look, but this is how big commercial projects are done in both the private sector and public/Govt. Non Disclosure Agreements mean just that, no disclosures to anyone. I've been involved in some small deals where NDA's were signed and they can have legal ramifications if you violate them. Heck, I have and NDA with the DoD (Department of Defense) that states imprisonment for just stating I worked on their software project.

There is a tremendous amount of work that goes into these types of deals, at great expense. Big business is very competitive and cut-throat. We see that as soon as it was announced that Delta and the ATL Airport want to stop them. Why? Because it could take business away from them is why. They want to stomp out competition any way possible.

I knew David, Tommy and Todd long before they run for office. David and Todd were my competitors and Tommy was a customer. I also got to know Jerry Shearin on a personal level while he was in office and afterwards. None of them are or were part of the "Good ole Boys" network. Not like it was before Jerry took office. Proof in that is what is he doing (for work) now? He's gone back into what he did before taking office, selling insurance. Before that, he was working with family laying cable and as a consultant to Govt Affairs for a cable company.

There is a plan for the entire airport project. One that won a major award from the US Dept of Commerce a few years back. It's expansive and will take 20 to 30 years to complete. This plan also includes 7500 acres of green space within the 10,000 acre track currently owned by the City of Atlanta. Which was deeded that the City can only sell this land back to the County at the same price they paid in 70's, I think it's $4,500 per acre or something like that. The City has 2 choices, build a major commercial airport or sell it back to Paulding County.
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You mean no big conspiracy and that they were not doing something they shouldn't have? They were actually doing things how they have to be done and trying to help the community? :)) I have read some off the wall comments since the newscast! If this makes money and brings jobs to the community I think it is good. The airport is there now, make it work. (Though how to get past Delta's opposition...IDK)
 
it could pump more money into the local economy and make more jobs available.

At least someone wants to use the airport.. it just sits there doing nothing for the most part.

also if it will make flights cheaper... it could also be a good thing for the consumer.
 
Sadie612 said:
it could pump more money into the local economy and make more jobs available.

At least someone wants to use the airport.. it just sits there doing nothing for the most part.

also if it will make flights cheaper... it could also be a good thing for the consumer.
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:thumbsup
 
The only "commercial" flights we will see will possibly be aggregator flights to resorts in Florida and the Caribbean. The only scheduled flights will be commuter stuff, perhaps to Birmingham, Chattanooga, Charlotte, and Savannah. The airline industry is not conducive to the use of small reliever airports for a real airline like Southwest or Delta. Hubs are the lifeblood of the industry and will be so into the foreseeable future.

I would however like to see scheduling restrictions put into place like those at Reagan and Midway. In normal circumstances, I would like to see the airport close to commercial traffic after 10 PM and not reopen until 7 AM. I would also like to see normal operations conducted on Runway 31 whenever weather permits.

I agree that it's time something be done with the airport, and Propeller Investments has a strong track record. I just hope that they don't put all of their eggs in the "commercial" basket, because they are going to all be disappointed. The AJC did indicate "aviation related businesses" as a big part of the mix, and that is going to be the hidden treasure, JMHO. I also hope that our idiot friends didn't sell the goose for a few eggs.
 
I see the commercial potential involving inbound traffic for the large complex development in the Emerson area, too.

And watch and see if the NW quadrant of the "Outer Perimeter" doesn't happen in the not-too-distant future. Behind the scenes land valuations (not government) are already speculating higher based on that probability. I-20 will be connected to 75.
 
unionmom said:
I see the commercial potential involving inbound traffic for the large complex development in the Emerson area, too.

And watch and see if the NW quadrant of the "Outer Perimeter" doesn't happen in the not-too-distant future. Behind the scenes land valuations (not government) are already speculating higher based on that probability. I-20 will be connected to 75.
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There will not be another Interstate highway built in metro Atlanta using any federal funding in the next 20 plus years and you can take that to the bank. If the state attempts to build one themselves, they will face EPA scrutiny that will make Plant Vogtle look like a rubber stamp project. In other words, it ain't gonna happen.
 
It won't be a freeway/interstate.

Northern Virginia was told they would never have an outer beltway and yet a way around it was found.

Look for a 4-lane, divided, traffic light controlled compromise.
 
ShoeDiva said:
Winchester said:
I fully understand how it may look, but this is how big commercial projects are done in both the private sector and public/Govt. Non Disclosure Agreements mean just that, no disclosures to anyone. I've been involved in some small deals where NDA's were signed and they can have legal ramifications if you violate them. Heck, I have and NDA with the DoD (Department of Defense) that states imprisonment for just stating I worked on their software project.

There is a tremendous amount of work that goes into these types of deals, at great expense. Big business is very competitive and cut-throat. We see that as soon as it was announced that Delta and the ATL Airport want to stop them. Why? Because it could take business away from them is why. They want to stomp out competition any way possible.

I knew David, Tommy and Todd long before they run for office. David and Todd were my competitors and Tommy was a customer. I also got to know Jerry Shearin on a personal level while he was in office and afterwards. None of them are or were part of the "Good ole Boys" network. Not like it was before Jerry took office. Proof in that is what is he doing (for work) now? He's gone back into what he did before taking office, selling insurance. Before that, he was working with family laying cable and as a consultant to Govt Affairs for a cable company.

There is a plan for the entire airport project. One that won a major award from the US Dept of Commerce a few years back. It's expansive and will take 20 to 30 years to complete. This plan also includes 7500 acres of green space within the 10,000 acre track currently owned by the City of Atlanta. Which was deeded that the City can only sell this land back to the County at the same price they paid in 70's, I think it's $4,500 per acre or something like that. The City has 2 choices, build a major commercial airport or sell it back to Paulding County.
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You mean no big conspiracy and that they were not doing something they shouldn't have? They were actually doing things how they have to be done and trying to help the community? :)) I have read some off the wall comments since the newscast! If this makes money and brings jobs to the community I think it is good. The airport is there now, make it work. (Though how to get past Delta's opposition...IDK)
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Yes. This is standard operating procedure.

And I agree. It's here and not going away. Lets find a way for it to make money! It is a state of the art facility, some of the very latest technology. It's going to waste right now.
 
unionmom said:
It won't be a freeway/interstate.

Northern Virginia was told they would never have an outer beltway and yet a way around it was found.

Look for a 4-lane, divided, traffic light controlled compromise.
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Virginia has friends in Washington. Atlanta doesn't. Even with a Republican in the Whitehouse, there will not be one thin dime of federal money spent on a new highway in Metro Atlanta, and we are Metro Atlanta. The exceptions will be interchanges, short connectors and the like, HOV and bus lanes, and bridges. I have been told that personally by someone who should know at Region IV headquarters. We are on the EPA's s#(t list. They would take back lanes if they thought it was possible.
 
lotstodo said:
The only "commercial" flights we will see will possibly be aggregator flights to resorts in Florida and the Caribbean. The only scheduled flights will be commuter stuff, perhaps to Birmingham, Chattanooga, Charlotte, and Savannah. The airline industry is not conducive to the use of small reliever airports for a real airline like Southwest or Delta. Hubs are the lifeblood of the industry and will be so into the foreseeable future.

I would however like to see scheduling restrictions put into place like those at Reagan and Midway. In normal circumstances, I would like to see the airport close to commercial traffic after 10 PM and not reopen until 7 AM. I would also like to see normal operations conducted on Runway 31 whenever weather permits.

I agree that it's time something be done with the airport, and Propeller Investments has a strong track record. I just hope that they don't put all of their eggs in the "commercial" basket, because they are going to all be disappointed. The AJC did indicate "aviation related businesses" as a big part of the mix, and that is going to be the hidden treasure, JMHO. I also hope that our idiot friends didn't sell the goose for a few eggs.
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I agree, this could be very big for the airport and the County. I have faith in Jamie Gilbert and Blake Swafford, they both have some great ideas on where to take the airport and it's been their efforts to get it this far. And from what little Jamie will tell me, there is more in the works. Maybe even bigger.
 
lotstodo said:
unionmom said:
I see the commercial potential involving inbound traffic for the large complex development in the Emerson area, too.

And watch and see if the NW quadrant of the "Outer Perimeter" doesn't happen in the not-too-distant future. Behind the scenes land valuations (not government) are already speculating higher based on that probability. I-20 will be connected to 75.
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There will not be another Interstate highway built in metro Atlanta using any federal funding in the next 20 plus years and you can take that to the bank. If the state attempts to build one themselves, they will face EPA scrutiny that will make Plant Vogtle look like a rubber stamp project. In other words, it ain't gonna happen.
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It is already on the Mid-range plans with the State DOT to make Hwy 101 a limited access 4-lane parkway. If we get enough big companies committed, that will be moved up. Then there's the West Dallas Pkwy planned by the County that planned to connect 278 to 61 near Dabbs Bridge, which is planned to be 4-lanned soon. Would not take much after that to finish the loop to 75. Just a thought, haven't seen any plans to connect all these yet.
 
lotstodo said:
The only "commercial" flights we will see will possibly be aggregator flights to resorts in Florida and the Caribbean. The only scheduled flights will be commuter stuff, perhaps to Birmingham, Chattanooga, Charlotte, and Savannah. The airline industry is not conducive to the use of small reliever airports for a real airline like Southwest or Delta. Hubs are the lifeblood of the industry and will be so into the foreseeable future.

I would however like to see scheduling restrictions put into place like those at Reagan and Midway. In normal circumstances, I would like to see the airport close to commercial traffic after 10 PM and not reopen until 7 AM. I would also like to see normal operations conducted on Runway 31 whenever weather permits.

I agree that it's time something be done with the airport, and Propeller Investments has a strong track record. I just hope that they don't put all of their eggs in the "commercial" basket, because they are going to all be disappointed. The AJC did indicate "aviation related businesses" as a big part of the mix, and that is going to be the hidden treasure, JMHO. I also hope that our idiot friends didn't sell the goose for a few eggs.
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I agree with the above. I have watched the city of Topeka try to make a commercial terminal work for about 30 years now.
They always say the jobs will come. I noticed that they just announced a new plan to try reopen the terminal and try again.


:whistle
 
Winchester said:
lotstodo said:
unionmom said:
I see the commercial potential involving inbound traffic for the large complex development in the Emerson area, too.

And watch and see if the NW quadrant of the "Outer Perimeter" doesn't happen in the not-too-distant future. Behind the scenes land valuations (not government) are already speculating higher based on that probability. I-20 will be connected to 75.
Click to expand...
There will not be another Interstate highway built in metro Atlanta using any federal funding in the next 20 plus years and you can take that to the bank. If the state attempts to build one themselves, they will face EPA scrutiny that will make Plant Vogtle look like a rubber stamp project. In other words, it ain't gonna happen.
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It is already on the Mid-range plans with the State DOT to make Hwy 101 a limited access 4-lane parkway. If we get enough big companies committed, that will be moved up. Then there's the West Dallas Pkwy planned by the County that planned to connect 278 to 61 near Dabbs Bridge, which is planned to be 4-lanned soon. Would not take much after that to finish the loop to 75. Just a thought, haven't seen any plans to connect all these yet.
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That's exactly what is being anticipated ... bits and pieces that eventually connect. (And that's how NoVA got theirs.)
 
unionmom said:
Winchester said:
lotstodo said:
unionmom said:
I see the commercial potential involving inbound traffic for the large complex development in the Emerson area, too.

And watch and see if the NW quadrant of the "Outer Perimeter" doesn't happen in the not-too-distant future. Behind the scenes land valuations (not government) are already speculating higher based on that probability. I-20 will be connected to 75.
Click to expand...
There will not be another Interstate highway built in metro Atlanta using any federal funding in the next 20 plus years and you can take that to the bank. If the state attempts to build one themselves, they will face EPA scrutiny that will make Plant Vogtle look like a rubber stamp project. In other words, it ain't gonna happen.
Click to expand...

It is already on the Mid-range plans with the State DOT to make Hwy 101 a limited access 4-lane parkway. If we get enough big companies committed, that will be moved up. Then there's the West Dallas Pkwy planned by the County that planned to connect 278 to 61 near Dabbs Bridge, which is planned to be 4-lanned soon. Would not take much after that to finish the loop to 75. Just a thought, haven't seen any plans to connect all these yet.
Click to expand...

That's exactly what is being anticipated ... bits and pieces that eventually connect. (And that's how NoVA got theirs.)
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Y'all let me know how that works out for ya'. :dunno
 
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