I Just Watched a Video of Paulette Braddock\'s Town Hall Meeting

unionmom said:
Yes because they are not a failure across the board and as a parent I have a multitude of options to supplement my child's education. I can also choose to work to change the system instead of giving up on it and walking away.
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I also can make other choices based on what is best for MY child. It doesn't mean that I have walked away or that I'm not trying to bring positive change.
 
Fox, my dear ... you and I can keep going at this all day and we'll still be in the same place. I see successes and I see failures in the schools here in Paulding and I see the reasons for both being as wide ranging as one can imagine. Of course there is room for improvement in our schools but they are not an across the board failure and my child has had the honor roll grades and well over average CRCT scores to show for it. When I see an area that concerns me, I ask questions of his teacher(s). I get involved. If there comes a time when I feel that he's not getting what he should, I'll get more involved. If it gets bad enough, I'll pull him from public school and place him where he'll get a better education but I will continue to fight to improve the public system.

And I still stand by my position that any family that opts out of public education is opting out 100%. You're either in or you're out.
 
So for those that argue that those not in the public system should still have access to all portions of what is available to public school kids ... where does it end? Do home school kids come to school for lunch? Do they go on school sponsored field trips? Well then shouldn't they be required to participate in school fund raisers? School assemblies?

Good grief, an old TV show theme song just popped into my head:

You take the good, you take the bad, you take them both and there you have the facts of life ...
 
I'm Floored said:
I also can make other choices based on what is best for MY child. It doesn't mean that I have walked away or that I'm not trying to bring positive change.
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And I didn't mean to sound like that's what I was saying ... I was referring to the voucher idea and the calls of some (though I don't know that I've seen it here) to virtually eliminate public schools as we know them today.
 
As long as parents who pay property taxes and home school their kids can't take their money with them, I see no problem with them participating in high school sports and using some of the school resources. I am really surprised though that you feel entitled to their money to help pay for the education of your children in public schools.
 
unionmom said:
I'm Floored said:
I also can make other choices based on what is best for MY child. It doesn't mean that I have walked away or that I'm not trying to bring positive change.
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And I didn't mean to sound like that's what I was saying ... I was referring to the voucher idea and the calls of some (though I don't know that I've seen it here) to virtually eliminate public schools as we know them today.
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I don't see anyone calling to eliminate public schools. What I see is a lot of dissatisfied parents who are frustrated with lack of education their children are receiving in them. There are a lot of people who currently cannot afford to send their children to private school, nor can they afford to home school them, leaving their children in a failing public school system. Shouldn't every child have the opportunity to receive a quality education, even if it means to let their portion of what they pay for school taxes to help with the costs of private or home school education that gives them a better opportunity? I forgot, your answer is no.
 
Nice spin.
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Foxmeister said:
unionmom said:
Nice spin.
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Are you now denying that you said their money should remain with the public school system?
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No, I'm not denying that. But I never said that I am entitled to it for my child. After my children are no longer in the system my tax dollars will continue to go into the system and before I had any children my tax dollars went into the system. Your argument is flawed.


To clarify ... the position I hold now is the same that I held before I ever considered having children. It's not about me or my kid(s).
 
unionmom said:
Foxmeister said:
unionmom said:
Nice spin.
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Are you now denying that you said their money should remain with the public school system?
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No, I'm not denying that. But I never said that I am entitled to it for my child. After my children are no longer in the system my tax dollars will continue to go into the system and before I had any children my tax dollars went into the system. Your argument is flawed.


To clarify ... the position I hold now is the same that I held before I ever considered having children. It's not about me or my kid(s).
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My argument is not flawed because every child should have the opportunity to a quality education.
 
If you believe every child should have the opportunity to receive a quality education. Fine, we agree on that. However, if it means the only way for children to receive a quality education in a failing school district is for the parents to pull them out and send them to private school or home school; you don't want their tax dollars to help pay for it, even if it's the only way for them to receive a quality education.
 
Their ability to receive a quality education has exactly zero to do with whether or not they can be on the wrestling team or the chess club or whatever.
 
If the government is not willing to let the money go with them to an alternate education system such as home school, then darn straight they should allow them to participate in the sports program. The state wants my friggin money, but refuses to do anything other than continue to set our students up for failure; then they darn well let these home school and charter school kids participate in the sports programs. They're still paying for them afterall.
 
My final word on this matter....................As long as I am paying property taxes then my children should have the same rights to use the facilities they pay for. The schools are built for the amount of kids in the area and not how many attend the schools. So anything my child uses at a local school is BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY MY MONEY. Those services should and will be used by all children. It is a PUBLIC school paid for by PUBLIC money. If school is all about the kids then this issue shouldn't be argued. I choose to give my child a better learning environment but that doesn't mean all or nothing as long as the state is taking my money. One more thing, I don't understand the attitude expressed that if a homeschooler does something at a public school, it is taking away something from another child. This seems more like an entitlement attitude more than it does a principle. JMHO.
 
Blazing Saddles said:
...One more thing, I don't understand the attitude expressed that if a homeschooler does something at a public school, it is taking away something from another child.
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I don't understand that one, either. If the school system says that [insert activity here] is open to home-school and a home-school child earns a spot in that activity, they deserve to be there. If they are permitted by the system to be there and they meet whatever requirements they need to, they aren't taking anything away from anyone.
 
I was talking about you. You're the one saying they shouldn't be allowed to take advantage of the public school facilities or activities. You stated it is all or nothing if a parent chooses to home school. So now, which one is it?
 
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