I Am Beginning To Think That Newt......

[newsjunky]

I am beginning to think that Newt does not really want to be President. :whistle Mitt had the best answer on illegal immigration in the debate last night. What was Newt really thinking???:tapfoot2

 

[mei lan]

Yeah, Newt's position on that one is not good.

 

[Madea]

Wondering the same thing. I think there's more to the Newt story than we know.

 

[Winchester]

But if you think about it, Newt's answer is probably more realistic as to what will really happen. To say you are going to deport several million people that have been here for many years is nothing more then political grandstanding on people's feelings. It's more political promises that no one will be able to keep!

This Country will never find all these people for one, plus the expense would be out of the question. If these people are productive residents, working full time jobs, getting an education, paying taxes and not depending on the govt for support, then I don't have a problem with it.

Besides, Romney doesn't have the guts to do something like that anyway!

 

[mei lan]

Deporting them won't be the solution, but Newt focusing on the amnesty part instead of border security isn't going to garner him any votes. SECURE THE BORDER and then worry about what to do with those already here. Also, the citizen panels (or community things or whatever he called them) to decide if somebody stays or goes? Yeah, that ain't gonna work. As others have said, illegals will just flock to sanctuary-type areas where they know they'll be allowed to stay. At any rate, he should know his answer isn't going to win him any votes. (And I agree with you about Romney. He's not going to do anything, either.)

 

[newsjunky]

But if you think about it, Newt's answer is probably more realistic as to what will really happen. To say you are going to deport several million people that have been here for many years is nothing more then political grandstanding on people's feelings. It's more political promises that no one will be able to keep!

This Country will never find all these people for one, plus the expense would be out of the question. If these people are productive residents, working full time jobs, getting an education, paying taxes and not depending on the govt for support, then I don't have a problem with it.

Besides, Romney doesn't have the guts to do something like that anyway!

Can't go with Newt now. He is advocating amnesty no matter what labels he tries to put on it. It would just encourage more to come here. We know that because Reagan tried the same thing. More came, many more, and the problem is bigger than we could ever imagine. Pretty soon we might just as well rename this country and call it Mexican America. Wonder how many Americans could and would fill jobs that those illegals have held for 25 years. Wonder how much it cost to educate the children they had? Nope Romney had the best answer no matter how you cut it. Not liking Newt's baggage issue either. Would he be any better than Romney?

 

[Guard Dad]

No, Newt is right on.

1-We have to be realistic, we don't have the manpower to catch and deport these people. And if we did, it would cost more that what they are costing us.

2-These people are not as damaging to the economy as some would have you believe. Even the ones being paid under the table are consumers. They spend some of their money here. The ones using fake SS numbers are paying in taxes, and the government is keeping it.

3-Our economy is more dependent on immigrants than many realize. Let me preface my remarks, I have never employed an illegal. But I am in the construction industry and I see what is going on. Put bluntly, these people fill positions that people here simply won't do. Even in this economy, our citizens will sit on their butts and draw unemployment before they will work manual labor. Sorry, that is the harsh truth, we are lazy.

I'm not defending or advocating illegal immigration, but they are here and integrated into our society and work force. If we wave our magic wand and make them go away, our economy will suffer. Some of the states that have passed the tough immigration laws have suffered because the illegals picked up their marbles and went to another state.

Since we can't realistically heard them up and send them back, the best thing we can do is make them taxpayers through some kind of workers program. If done properly, it could be a way to guide them toward the naturalization process.

Concerning the topic of "magnets"...We absolutely need to remove the magnets. But the magnets aren't a workers program, they are the freebie benefits that we're giving them. That is what must be taken away. Our own government is the magnet.

 

[newsjunky]

No, Newt is right on.

1-We have to be realistic, we don't have the manpower to catch and deport these people. And if we did, it would cost more that what they are costing us.

2-These people are not as damaging to the economy as some would have you believe. Even the ones being paid under the table are consumers. They spend some of their money here. The ones using fake SS numbers are paying in taxes, and the government is keeping it.

3-Our economy is more dependent on immigrants than many realize. Let me preface my remarks, I have never employed an illegal. But I am in the construction industry and I see what is going on. Put bluntly, these people fill positions that people here simply won't do. Even in this economy, our citizens will sit on their butts and draw unemployment before they will work manual labor. Sorry, that is the harsh truth, we are lazy.

I'm not defending or advocating illegal immigration, but they are here and integrated into our society and work force. If we wave our magic wand and make them go away, our economy will suffer. Some of the states that have passed the tough immigration laws have suffered because the illegals picked up their marbles and went to another state.

Since we can't realistically heard them up and send them back, the best thing we can do is make them taxpayers through some kind of workers program. If done properly, it could be a way to guide them toward the naturalization process.

Concerning the topic of "magnets"...We absolutely need to remove the magnets. But the magnets aren't a workers program, they are the freebie benefits that we're giving them. That is what must be taken away. Our own government is the magnet.

I don't think he is right on and I will be looking for another candidate I can support. Making them legal is amnesty. Make them live in the shadows and do not encourage more to come. If you make them legal it will put them in the Soc. Sec. system and give them a legal right to get benefits from our system. We are close enough to collapse already and we don't need that. Newt lost me. The candidate will be Romney in my opinion.

 

[Guard Dad]

No, Newt is right on.

1-We have to be realistic, we don't have the manpower to catch and deport these people. And if we did, it would cost more that what they are costing us.

2-These people are not as damaging to the economy as some would have you believe. Even the ones being paid under the table are consumers. They spend some of their money here. The ones using fake SS numbers are paying in taxes, and the government is keeping it.

3-Our economy is more dependent on immigrants than many realize. Let me preface my remarks, I have never employed an illegal. But I am in the construction industry and I see what is going on. Put bluntly, these people fill positions that people here simply won't do. Even in this economy, our citizens will sit on their butts and draw unemployment before they will work manual labor. Sorry, that is the harsh truth, we are lazy.

I'm not defending or advocating illegal immigration, but they are here and integrated into our society and work force. If we wave our magic wand and make them go away, our economy will suffer. Some of the states that have passed the tough immigration laws have suffered because the illegals picked up their marbles and went to another state.

Since we can't realistically heard them up and send them back, the best thing we can do is make them taxpayers through some kind of workers program. If done properly, it could be a way to guide them toward the naturalization process.

Concerning the topic of "magnets"...We absolutely need to remove the magnets. But the magnets aren't a workers program, they are the freebie benefits that we're giving them. That is what must be taken away. Our own government is the magnet.

I don't think he is right on and I will be looking for another candidate I can support. Making them legal is amnesty. Make them live in the shadows and do not encourage more to come. If you make them legal it will put them in the Soc. Sec. system and give them a legal right to get benefits from our system. We are close enough to collapse already and we don't need that. Newt lost me. The candidate will be Romney in my opinion.

Is trading that single issue for all of Romney's RINOness a good deal? Romney isn't much better than some of the Democrats.

As for teh guest workers program...I don't know the details of Newt's plan, but it can be done without qualifying them for SS. Being a guest worker is NOT necessarily the same as amnesty, it doesn't have to make them a citizen or qualify them for benefits. That is the key, how it is worded and what the law entitles them to.

We have to get past the emotional aspect of this and realize that it simply isn't feasible to round them up and send them back. Given that, Romney's policy is nothing more than empty talk. Newt's plan takes into account the reality of the situation, and works with that.

I would rather have an imperfect solution to a problem than empty words.

 

[Winchester]

But if you think about it, Newt's answer is probably more realistic as to what will really happen. To say you are going to deport several million people that have been here for many years is nothing more then political grandstanding on people's feelings. It's more political promises that no one will be able to keep!

This Country will never find all these people for one, plus the expense would be out of the question. If these people are productive residents, working full time jobs, getting an education, paying taxes and not depending on the govt for support, then I don't have a problem with it.

Besides, Romney doesn't have the guts to do something like that anyway!

Can't go with Newt now. He is advocating amnesty no matter what labels he tries to put on it. It would just encourage more to come here. We know that because Reagan tried the same thing. More came, many more, and the problem is bigger than we could ever imagine. Pretty soon we might just as well rename this country and call it Mexican America. Wonder how many Americans could and would fill jobs that those illegals have held for 25 years. Wonder how much it cost to educate the children they had? Nope Romney had the best answer no matter how you cut it. Not liking Newt's baggage issue either. Would he be any better than Romney?

Now now, you are listening to main stream media too much. Newt did not say anything about amnesty, that's a whole different process then what Newt was talking about. He clearly stated several times (as the other candidates were trying hard to turn it around on Newt) that illegal visitors freshly in the Country, without any ties to any community, will be deported when caught. Only those who have been in this Country long enough to have children....who are now US Citizens.... and /or grandchildren, jobs and working to better their lives, will be granted legal status to stay in the US with a requirement to file for citizenship.

You think the OWS protest are outrageous? Just wait until the jackbooted goon squads start knocking or kicking in doors to deport 40 to 60 year old women with children and grandchildren born in this Country. There are a lot more Mexicans in this Country then there are of the "99%" brainwashed idiots!

It is just not feasible to deport every illegal visitor in this Country and Newt understand that and was being honest. Any candidate that promises to deport them all is telling a bold face lie to play on peoples emotions! And frankly, I much prefer a candidate be honest and realistic with their promises then to make false promises because they know that's what we want to hear! But that's just me.

 

[Winchester]

No, Newt is right on.

1-We have to be realistic, we don't have the manpower to catch and deport these people. And if we did, it would cost more that what they are costing us.

2-These people are not as damaging to the economy as some would have you believe. Even the ones being paid under the table are consumers. They spend some of their money here. The ones using fake SS numbers are paying in taxes, and the government is keeping it.

3-Our economy is more dependent on immigrants than many realize. Let me preface my remarks, I have never employed an illegal. But I am in the construction industry and I see what is going on. Put bluntly, these people fill positions that people here simply won't do. Even in this economy, our citizens will sit on their butts and draw unemployment before they will work manual labor. Sorry, that is the harsh truth, we are lazy.

I'm not defending or advocating illegal immigration, but they are here and integrated into our society and work force. If we wave our magic wand and make them go away, our economy will suffer. Some of the states that have passed the tough immigration laws have suffered because the illegals picked up their marbles and went to another state.

Since we can't realistically heard them up and send them back, the best thing we can do is make them taxpayers through some kind of workers program. If done properly, it could be a way to guide them toward the naturalization process.

Concerning the topic of "magnets"...We absolutely need to remove the magnets. But the magnets aren't a workers program, they are the freebie benefits that we're giving them. That is what must be taken away. Our own government is the magnet.

I don't think he is right on and I will be looking for another candidate I can support. Making them legal is amnesty. Make them live in the shadows and do not encourage more to come. If you make them legal it will put them in the Soc. Sec. system and give them a legal right to get benefits from our system. We are close enough to collapse already and we don't need that. Newt lost me. The candidate will be Romney in my opinion.

Is trading that single issue for all of Romney's RINOness a good deal? Romney isn't much better than some of the Democrats.

As for teh guest workers program...I don't know the details of Newt's plan, but it can be done without qualifying them for SS. Being a guest worker is NOT necessarily the same as amnesty, it doesn't have to make them a citizen or qualify them for benefits. That is the key, how it is worded and what the law entitles them to.

We have to get past the emotional aspect of this and realize that it simply isn't feasible to round them up and send them back. Given that, Romney's policy is nothing more than empty talk. Newt's plan takes into account the reality of the situation, and works with that.

I would rather have an imperfect solution to a problem than empty words.

Dude, WTH has happened to me? We are starting to think alike! Oh crap!

 

[Guard Dad]

No, Newt is right on.

1-We have to be realistic, we don't have the manpower to catch and deport these people. And if we did, it would cost more that what they are costing us.

2-These people are not as damaging to the economy as some would have you believe. Even the ones being paid under the table are consumers. They spend some of their money here. The ones using fake SS numbers are paying in taxes, and the government is keeping it.

3-Our economy is more dependent on immigrants than many realize. Let me preface my remarks, I have never employed an illegal. But I am in the construction industry and I see what is going on. Put bluntly, these people fill positions that people here simply won't do. Even in this economy, our citizens will sit on their butts and draw unemployment before they will work manual labor. Sorry, that is the harsh truth, we are lazy.

I'm not defending or advocating illegal immigration, but they are here and integrated into our society and work force. If we wave our magic wand and make them go away, our economy will suffer. Some of the states that have passed the tough immigration laws have suffered because the illegals picked up their marbles and went to another state.

Since we can't realistically heard them up and send them back, the best thing we can do is make them taxpayers through some kind of workers program. If done properly, it could be a way to guide them toward the naturalization process.

Concerning the topic of "magnets"...We absolutely need to remove the magnets. But the magnets aren't a workers program, they are the freebie benefits that we're giving them. That is what must be taken away. Our own government is the magnet.

I don't think he is right on and I will be looking for another candidate I can support. Making them legal is amnesty. Make them live in the shadows and do not encourage more to come. If you make them legal it will put them in the Soc. Sec. system and give them a legal right to get benefits from our system. We are close enough to collapse already and we don't need that. Newt lost me. The candidate will be Romney in my opinion.

Is trading that single issue for all of Romney's RINOness a good deal? Romney isn't much better than some of the Democrats.

As for teh guest workers program...I don't know the details of Newt's plan, but it can be done without qualifying them for SS. Being a guest worker is NOT necessarily the same as amnesty, it doesn't have to make them a citizen or qualify them for benefits. That is the key, how it is worded and what the law entitles them to.

We have to get past the emotional aspect of this and realize that it simply isn't feasible to round them up and send them back. Given that, Romney's policy is nothing more than empty talk. Newt's plan takes into account the reality of the situation, and works with that.

I would rather have an imperfect solution to a problem than empty words.

Dude, WTH has happened to me? We are starting to think alike! Oh crap!

Skeeery, ain't it? :laugh

I break with traditional conservative positions in several areas. The "war on drugs" is another issue I disagree with the GOP on. It isn't working and we have to rethink how we handle it. We should take a lesson from prohibition.

 

[newsjunky]

No, Newt is right on.

1-We have to be realistic, we don't have the manpower to catch and deport these people. And if we did, it would cost more that what they are costing us.

2-These people are not as damaging to the economy as some would have you believe. Even the ones being paid under the table are consumers. They spend some of their money here. The ones using fake SS numbers are paying in taxes, and the government is keeping it.

3-Our economy is more dependent on immigrants than many realize. Let me preface my remarks, I have never employed an illegal. But I am in the construction industry and I see what is going on. Put bluntly, these people fill positions that people here simply won't do. Even in this economy, our citizens will sit on their butts and draw unemployment before they will work manual labor. Sorry, that is the harsh truth, we are lazy.

I'm not defending or advocating illegal immigration, but they are here and integrated into our society and work force. If we wave our magic wand and make them go away, our economy will suffer. Some of the states that have passed the tough immigration laws have suffered because the illegals picked up their marbles and went to another state.

Since we can't realistically heard them up and send them back, the best thing we can do is make them taxpayers through some kind of workers program. If done properly, it could be a way to guide them toward the naturalization process.

Concerning the topic of "magnets"...We absolutely need to remove the magnets. But the magnets aren't a workers program, they are the freebie benefits that we're giving them. That is what must be taken away. Our own government is the magnet.

I don't think he is right on and I will be looking for another candidate I can support. Making them legal is amnesty. Make them live in the shadows and do not encourage more to come. If you make them legal it will put them in the Soc. Sec. system and give them a legal right to get benefits from our system. We are close enough to collapse already and we don't need that. Newt lost me. The candidate will be Romney in my opinion.

Is trading that single issue for all of Romney's RINOness a good deal? Romney isn't much better than some of the Democrats.

As for teh guest workers program...I don't know the details of Newt's plan, but it can be done without qualifying them for SS. Being a guest worker is NOT necessarily the same as amnesty, it doesn't have to make them a citizen or qualify them for benefits. That is the key, how it is worded and what the law entitles them to.

We have to get past the emotional aspect of this and realize that it simply isn't feasible to round them up and send them back. Given that, Romney's policy is nothing more than empty talk. Newt's plan takes into account the reality of the situation, and works with that.

I would rather have an imperfect solution to a problem than empty words.

That issue is just the one that tipped the balance for me but it is a big one. Newt has been involved in too many things that I can't look over. Mortgage mess, healthcare mess, marriage mess. Too much baggage for me. I can't help it if the GOP voters choose Romney. I think they will.

 

[Guard Dad]

No, Newt is right on.

1-We have to be realistic, we don't have the manpower to catch and deport these people. And if we did, it would cost more that what they are costing us.

2-These people are not as damaging to the economy as some would have you believe. Even the ones being paid under the table are consumers. They spend some of their money here. The ones using fake SS numbers are paying in taxes, and the government is keeping it.

3-Our economy is more dependent on immigrants than many realize. Let me preface my remarks, I have never employed an illegal. But I am in the construction industry and I see what is going on. Put bluntly, these people fill positions that people here simply won't do. Even in this economy, our citizens will sit on their butts and draw unemployment before they will work manual labor. Sorry, that is the harsh truth, we are lazy.

I'm not defending or advocating illegal immigration, but they are here and integrated into our society and work force. If we wave our magic wand and make them go away, our economy will suffer. Some of the states that have passed the tough immigration laws have suffered because the illegals picked up their marbles and went to another state.

Since we can't realistically heard them up and send them back, the best thing we can do is make them taxpayers through some kind of workers program. If done properly, it could be a way to guide them toward the naturalization process.

Concerning the topic of "magnets"...We absolutely need to remove the magnets. But the magnets aren't a workers program, they are the freebie benefits that we're giving them. That is what must be taken away. Our own government is the magnet.

I don't think he is right on and I will be looking for another candidate I can support. Making them legal is amnesty. Make them live in the shadows and do not encourage more to come. If you make them legal it will put them in the Soc. Sec. system and give them a legal right to get benefits from our system. We are close enough to collapse already and we don't need that. Newt lost me. The candidate will be Romney in my opinion.

Is trading that single issue for all of Romney's RINOness a good deal? Romney isn't much better than some of the Democrats.

As for teh guest workers program...I don't know the details of Newt's plan, but it can be done without qualifying them for SS. Being a guest worker is NOT necessarily the same as amnesty, it doesn't have to make them a citizen or qualify them for benefits. That is the key, how it is worded and what the law entitles them to.

We have to get past the emotional aspect of this and realize that it simply isn't feasible to round them up and send them back. Given that, Romney's policy is nothing more than empty talk. Newt's plan takes into account the reality of the situation, and works with that.

I would rather have an imperfect solution to a problem than empty words.

That issue is just the one that tipped the balance for me but it is a big one. Newt has been involved in too many things that I can't look over. Mortgage mess, healthcare mess, marriage mess. Too much baggage for me. I can't help it if the GOP voters choose Romney. I think they will.

You might be right about Romney getting the nom. I don't think he has the best shot of beating Obama though, and that is the priority to me. I still think Cain has the best odds or beating Obama, but a Newt/Cain team could be as good or even better. They would mop the floor with Barry and Uncle Joe.

 

[newsjunky]

No, Newt is right on.

1-We have to be realistic, we don't have the manpower to catch and deport these people. And if we did, it would cost more that what they are costing us.

2-These people are not as damaging to the economy as some would have you believe. Even the ones being paid under the table are consumers. They spend some of their money here. The ones using fake SS numbers are paying in taxes, and the government is keeping it.

3-Our economy is more dependent on immigrants than many realize. Let me preface my remarks, I have never employed an illegal. But I am in the construction industry and I see what is going on. Put bluntly, these people fill positions that people here simply won't do. Even in this economy, our citizens will sit on their butts and draw unemployment before they will work manual labor. Sorry, that is the harsh truth, we are lazy.

I'm not defending or advocating illegal immigration, but they are here and integrated into our society and work force. If we wave our magic wand and make them go away, our economy will suffer. Some of the states that have passed the tough immigration laws have suffered because the illegals picked up their marbles and went to another state.

Since we can't realistically heard them up and send them back, the best thing we can do is make them taxpayers through some kind of workers program. If done properly, it could be a way to guide them toward the naturalization process.

Concerning the topic of "magnets"...We absolutely need to remove the magnets. But the magnets aren't a workers program, they are the freebie benefits that we're giving them. That is what must be taken away. Our own government is the magnet.

I don't think he is right on and I will be looking for another candidate I can support. Making them legal is amnesty. Make them live in the shadows and do not encourage more to come. If you make them legal it will put them in the Soc. Sec. system and give them a legal right to get benefits from our system. We are close enough to collapse already and we don't need that. Newt lost me. The candidate will be Romney in my opinion.

Is trading that single issue for all of Romney's RINOness a good deal? Romney isn't much better than some of the Democrats.

As for teh guest workers program...I don't know the details of Newt's plan, but it can be done without qualifying them for SS. Being a guest worker is NOT necessarily the same as amnesty, it doesn't have to make them a citizen or qualify them for benefits. That is the key, how it is worded and what the law entitles them to.

We have to get past the emotional aspect of this and realize that it simply isn't feasible to round them up and send them back. Given that, Romney's policy is nothing more than empty talk. Newt's plan takes into account the reality of the situation, and works with that.

I would rather have an imperfect solution to a problem than empty words.

That issue is just the one that tipped the balance for me but it is a big one. Newt has been involved in too many things that I can't look over. Mortgage mess, healthcare mess, marriage mess. Too much baggage for me. I can't help it if the GOP voters choose Romney. I think they will.

You might be right about Romney getting the nom. I don't think he has the best shot of beating Obama though, and that is the priority to me. I still think Cain has the best odds or beating Obama, but a Newt/Cain team could be as good or even better. They would mop the floor with Barry and Uncle Joe.

Newt can't win in my opinion but what do I know? Romney has a better shot at winning than Newt. JMO

 

[Guard Dad]

No, Newt is right on.

1-We have to be realistic, we don't have the manpower to catch and deport these people. And if we did, it would cost more that what they are costing us.

2-These people are not as damaging to the economy as some would have you believe. Even the ones being paid under the table are consumers. They spend some of their money here. The ones using fake SS numbers are paying in taxes, and the government is keeping it.

3-Our economy is more dependent on immigrants than many realize. Let me preface my remarks, I have never employed an illegal. But I am in the construction industry and I see what is going on. Put bluntly, these people fill positions that people here simply won't do. Even in this economy, our citizens will sit on their butts and draw unemployment before they will work manual labor. Sorry, that is the harsh truth, we are lazy.

I'm not defending or advocating illegal immigration, but they are here and integrated into our society and work force. If we wave our magic wand and make them go away, our economy will suffer. Some of the states that have passed the tough immigration laws have suffered because the illegals picked up their marbles and went to another state.

Since we can't realistically heard them up and send them back, the best thing we can do is make them taxpayers through some kind of workers program. If done properly, it could be a way to guide them toward the naturalization process.

Concerning the topic of "magnets"...We absolutely need to remove the magnets. But the magnets aren't a workers program, they are the freebie benefits that we're giving them. That is what must be taken away. Our own government is the magnet.

I don't think he is right on and I will be looking for another candidate I can support. Making them legal is amnesty. Make them live in the shadows and do not encourage more to come. If you make them legal it will put them in the Soc. Sec. system and give them a legal right to get benefits from our system. We are close enough to collapse already and we don't need that. Newt lost me. The candidate will be Romney in my opinion.

Is trading that single issue for all of Romney's RINOness a good deal? Romney isn't much better than some of the Democrats.

As for teh guest workers program...I don't know the details of Newt's plan, but it can be done without qualifying them for SS. Being a guest worker is NOT necessarily the same as amnesty, it doesn't have to make them a citizen or qualify them for benefits. That is the key, how it is worded and what the law entitles them to.

We have to get past the emotional aspect of this and realize that it simply isn't feasible to round them up and send them back. Given that, Romney's policy is nothing more than empty talk. Newt's plan takes into account the reality of the situation, and works with that.

I would rather have an imperfect solution to a problem than empty words.

That issue is just the one that tipped the balance for me but it is a big one. Newt has been involved in too many things that I can't look over. Mortgage mess, healthcare mess, marriage mess. Too much baggage for me. I can't help it if the GOP voters choose Romney. I think they will.

You might be right about Romney getting the nom. I don't think he has the best shot of beating Obama though, and that is the priority to me. I still think Cain has the best odds or beating Obama, but a Newt/Cain team could be as good or even better. They would mop the floor with Barry and Uncle Joe.

Newt can't win in my opinion but what do I know? Romney has a better shot at winning than Newt. JMO

I'm not so sure.

As you know, turnout means everything in elections. Obama beat McCain last time due to turnout, plain and simple. Moderate Republicans don't get conservatives to the polls, that was proven in the last election. Conservatives weren't excited about McCain. They aren't excited about Romney either.

Obama will not produce the turnout he did last time either, but the GOP candidate has to. I think Newt or Cain (especially Newt AND Cain) can get the voters to the polls.

 

[Madea]

Do you not know the drain illegals ALREADY have on the system? They are raking in BILLIONS in welfare! Each of their anchor babies receive all forms of welfare . . . medicaid, TANF, food stamps, etc etc etc

 

[Guard Dad]

Do you not know the drain illegals ALREADY have on the system? They are raking in BILLIONS in welfare! Each of their anchor babies receive all forms of welfare . . . medicaid, TANF, food stamps, etc etc etc

Exactly! That's why we must change the laws regarding entitlements to solve the problem. And we need to get them working legally.

Pursuing a fantasy of sending them back will do no good.

 

[newsjunky]

No, Newt is right on.

1-We have to be realistic, we don't have the manpower to catch and deport these people. And if we did, it would cost more that what they are costing us.

2-These people are not as damaging to the economy as some would have you believe. Even the ones being paid under the table are consumers. They spend some of their money here. The ones using fake SS numbers are paying in taxes, and the government is keeping it.

3-Our economy is more dependent on immigrants than many realize. Let me preface my remarks, I have never employed an illegal. But I am in the construction industry and I see what is going on. Put bluntly, these people fill positions that people here simply won't do. Even in this economy, our citizens will sit on their butts and draw unemployment before they will work manual labor. Sorry, that is the harsh truth, we are lazy.

I'm not defending or advocating illegal immigration, but they are here and integrated into our society and work force. If we wave our magic wand and make them go away, our economy will suffer. Some of the states that have passed the tough immigration laws have suffered because the illegals picked up their marbles and went to another state.

Since we can't realistically heard them up and send them back, the best thing we can do is make them taxpayers through some kind of workers program. If done properly, it could be a way to guide them toward the naturalization process.

Concerning the topic of "magnets"...We absolutely need to remove the magnets. But the magnets aren't a workers program, they are the freebie benefits that we're giving them. That is what must be taken away. Our own government is the magnet.

I don't think he is right on and I will be looking for another candidate I can support. Making them legal is amnesty. Make them live in the shadows and do not encourage more to come. If you make them legal it will put them in the Soc. Sec. system and give them a legal right to get benefits from our system. We are close enough to collapse already and we don't need that. Newt lost me. The candidate will be Romney in my opinion.

Is trading that single issue for all of Romney's RINOness a good deal? Romney isn't much better than some of the Democrats.

As for teh guest workers program...I don't know the details of Newt's plan, but it can be done without qualifying them for SS. Being a guest worker is NOT necessarily the same as amnesty, it doesn't have to make them a citizen or qualify them for benefits. That is the key, how it is worded and what the law entitles them to.

We have to get past the emotional aspect of this and realize that it simply isn't feasible to round them up and send them back. Given that, Romney's policy is nothing more than empty talk. Newt's plan takes into account the reality of the situation, and works with that.

I would rather have an imperfect solution to a problem than empty words.

That issue is just the one that tipped the balance for me but it is a big one. Newt has been involved in too many things that I can't look over. Mortgage mess, healthcare mess, marriage mess. Too much baggage for me. I can't help it if the GOP voters choose Romney. I think they will.

You might be right about Romney getting the nom. I don't think he has the best shot of beating Obama though, and that is the priority to me. I still think Cain has the best odds or beating Obama, but a Newt/Cain team could be as good or even better. They would mop the floor with Barry and Uncle Joe.

Newt can't win in my opinion but what do I know? Romney has a better shot at winning than Newt. JMO

I'm not so sure.

As you know, turnout means everything in elections. Obama beat McCain last time due to turnout, plain and simple. Moderate Republicans don't get conservatives to the polls, that was proven in the last election. Conservatives weren't excited about McCain. They aren't excited about Romney either.

Obama will not produce the turnout he did last time either, but the GOP candidate has to. I think Newt or Cain (especially Newt AND Cain) can get the voters to the polls.

In this job market and with the economic problems we are seeing the voters will go to the polls to vote Obama out. Last election the voters would not have believed what Obama would do in office. They know now! Newt is less electable than Romney. JMO.

 

[Guard Dad]

No, Newt is right on.

1-We have to be realistic, we don't have the manpower to catch and deport these people. And if we did, it would cost more that what they are costing us.

2-These people are not as damaging to the economy as some would have you believe. Even the ones being paid under the table are consumers. They spend some of their money here. The ones using fake SS numbers are paying in taxes, and the government is keeping it.

3-Our economy is more dependent on immigrants than many realize. Let me preface my remarks, I have never employed an illegal. But I am in the construction industry and I see what is going on. Put bluntly, these people fill positions that people here simply won't do. Even in this economy, our citizens will sit on their butts and draw unemployment before they will work manual labor. Sorry, that is the harsh truth, we are lazy.

I'm not defending or advocating illegal immigration, but they are here and integrated into our society and work force. If we wave our magic wand and make them go away, our economy will suffer. Some of the states that have passed the tough immigration laws have suffered because the illegals picked up their marbles and went to another state.

Since we can't realistically heard them up and send them back, the best thing we can do is make them taxpayers through some kind of workers program. If done properly, it could be a way to guide them toward the naturalization process.

Concerning the topic of "magnets"...We absolutely need to remove the magnets. But the magnets aren't a workers program, they are the freebie benefits that we're giving them. That is what must be taken away. Our own government is the magnet.

I don't think he is right on and I will be looking for another candidate I can support. Making them legal is amnesty. Make them live in the shadows and do not encourage more to come. If you make them legal it will put them in the Soc. Sec. system and give them a legal right to get benefits from our system. We are close enough to collapse already and we don't need that. Newt lost me. The candidate will be Romney in my opinion.

Is trading that single issue for all of Romney's RINOness a good deal? Romney isn't much better than some of the Democrats.

As for teh guest workers program...I don't know the details of Newt's plan, but it can be done without qualifying them for SS. Being a guest worker is NOT necessarily the same as amnesty, it doesn't have to make them a citizen or qualify them for benefits. That is the key, how it is worded and what the law entitles them to.

We have to get past the emotional aspect of this and realize that it simply isn't feasible to round them up and send them back. Given that, Romney's policy is nothing more than empty talk. Newt's plan takes into account the reality of the situation, and works with that.

I would rather have an imperfect solution to a problem than empty words.

That issue is just the one that tipped the balance for me but it is a big one. Newt has been involved in too many things that I can't look over. Mortgage mess, healthcare mess, marriage mess. Too much baggage for me. I can't help it if the GOP voters choose Romney. I think they will.

You might be right about Romney getting the nom. I don't think he has the best shot of beating Obama though, and that is the priority to me. I still think Cain has the best odds or beating Obama, but a Newt/Cain team could be as good or even better. They would mop the floor with Barry and Uncle Joe.

Newt can't win in my opinion but what do I know? Romney has a better shot at winning than Newt. JMO

I'm not so sure.

As you know, turnout means everything in elections. Obama beat McCain last time due to turnout, plain and simple. Moderate Republicans don't get conservatives to the polls, that was proven in the last election. Conservatives weren't excited about McCain. They aren't excited about Romney either.

Obama will not produce the turnout he did last time either, but the GOP candidate has to. I think Newt or Cain (especially Newt AND Cain) can get the voters to the polls.

In this job market and with the economic problems we are seeing the voters will go to the polls to vote Obama out. Last election the voters would not have believed what Obama would do in office. They know now! Newt is less electable than Romney. JMO.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html