[COVID] This seems relevant...

[cptlo]

Your Coronavirus Test Is Positive. Maybe It Shouldn’t Be. (Published 2020)

The usual diagnostic tests may simply be too sensitive and too slow to contain the spread of the virus.

www.nytimes.com

Some of the nation’s leading public health experts are raising a new concern in the endless debate over coronavirus testing in the United States: The standard tests are diagnosing huge numbers of people who may be carrying relatively insignificant amounts of the virus.

In three sets of testing data that include cycle thresholds, compiled by officials in Massachusetts, New York and Nevada, up to 90 percent of people testing positive carried barely any virus, a review by The Times found.

On Thursday, the United States recorded 45,604 new coronavirus cases, according to a database maintained by The Times. If the rates of contagiousness in Massachusetts and New York were to apply nationwide, then perhaps only 4,500 of those people may actually need to isolate and submit to contact tracing.

 

[Boss 302]

The science involved in this virus is confusing. We continuously get conflicting information depending on the group of scientists or doctors involved.

 

[Stonewall]

I realize we are in a different supposedly more enlightened time today than ever in the history of man. However I think this technology dependent information at the tip of our fingers world has created unrealistic expectations. It took mankind decades or even centuries to decode and control viruses and plagues often much worse than COVID. Cholera, polio, measles, plague, influenza, various fevers, malaria, etc. have killed millions of people through out history. COVID has been an issue for what 5 or 6 months? People need to take whatever precautions we know of and take a chill pill. Rome was not built in a day. I blame the mainstream media and definitely social media for this panic atmosphere the country is in. Sure new information comes out everyday and sometimes this information will conflict with or over ride previous information. That is actually progress.

 

[lotstodo]

This is why the WHO researcher made the distinction between the asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic. Everyone jumped his butt for it and they had to make a half ass apology. He was absolutely correct, but the dumbass public doesn't make a distinction.

Children under 10, for whatever reason, are almost always asymptomatic. They don't get sick. They carry very little virus and are unlikely to spread it. However, adult symptoms don't show for about five days or so, and they can spread the virus for that time without knowing they have it. That's pre-symptomatic. They can be asymptomatic also, hence the precaution.

Until we understand the threshold for probable transmission, we can only say that young children can probably go to school with proper precautions just in case. Testing is really of little use at this point from a public health standpoint. Researchers can use that info, but finding out a week later that you had or have the virus in your system probably means little to nothing. If you didn't get sick you probably couldn't pass the virus anyway unless you breathed right on Grandma.

 

[Far West]

The cdc updated covid deaths:

Comorbidities
Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups. For data on comorbidities, Click here to download.


Turns out only 6% of deaths are directly caused by covid. Others have multiple reasons for deaths such as the flu & pneumonia.... this is exactly why all other causes of death are down, they are being listed as covid deaths.






https://twitter.com/Gator_RoRo/status/1300103288491307009

 

[lotstodo]

Most people who die from other respirtory illnesses actually die through the process of pneumonia. It is not uncommon to have that listed as the cause of death, or co-cause, in COPD. The question that the doctor must answer for himself is whether or not this patient would have died at this approximate time without Covid. If that answer is no, then even if the process was fluid buildup in the lungs, the cause of death is Covid. It's almost a crap shoot in very elderly or very fragile patients.

 

[Far West]

Most people who die from other respiratory illnesses actually die through the process of pneumonia. It is not uncommon to have that listed as the cause of death, or co-cause, in COPD. The question that the doctor must answer for himself is whether or not this patient would have died at this approximate time without Covid. If that answer is no, then even if the process was fluid buildup in the lungs, the cause of death is Covid. It's almost a crap shoot in very elderly or very fragile patients.

Absolutely agree.

That being said. to make the rest of the country fear they will die if they get it is a lie. H1N1 took all ages... this is taking those over 60 and people with underlying conditions...so why Quarantine all of the USA when truly we should protect the population susceptible instead?

Politics

 

[lotstodo]

Absolutely agree.

That being said. to make the rest of the country fear they will die if they get it is a lie. H1N1 took all ages... this is taking those over 60 and people with underlying conditions...so why Quarantine all of the USA when truly we should protect the population susceptible instead?

Politics

Yup. Knowing what we know now a full lockdown seems an overreaction. I would insist on better protections for the elderly though.

 

[Far West]

This is representative of the entire country. Green Is total tests in the USA. Blue is total cases. Red is total deaths. Grey is total people. Each dot represents 100,000 people. Let that sink in. Look at all those grey dots compared to blue and red. This is what they have turned our lives upside down over.

I have to ask how many people lost lives from skipping essential doctors care, mental health breakdowns where they killed themselves or others, domestic abuse after being on lockdown with abuser, suicide from losing jobs/businesses...add in other deaths I missed here________________


AND now we know 94 % of deaths had at least one other underlying condition that may have been the true cause of death. I have heard figures that more than half of those deaths actually came from nursing homes.

Oh, recent articles are also saying there is a large false positive factor on the covid tests.

 

[Far West]

My Hospital Experience and What the Nurses Told Me About COVID-19

Robert Wenzel, Editor & Publisher

www.targetliberty.com

I asked one nurse if I could ask a few questions that I just needed answers for.
First, 'Do masks do anything to stop a virus?" She looked at me shocked, then said “no, they don’t do anything, the N95 does stop a percentage of a virus when you wear one, but overall they don’t do a thing”.

So I asked why are there so many mandates then? We are we being bombarded with wearing a mask to save grandma?

At this time another nurse said, “Well, when this all started we were pressured to report everyone who was admitted into the hospital as a covid case. We were also told that we were to report every death as a covid death, and to do our best to get people on a ventilator, even though we knew that it seemed to actually make things worse for the patient.”

Bottom line, most of them refused, and several were fired.

I asked what they suggested was the best way to fight the virus, and was told, the same things you would do to fight the flu.

 

[J-man]

Are we still counting?

 

[Far West]

Are we still counting?

No. I used to keep up with deaths in my city... now I just hope they don't go up so the Tyrant who is our governor- Gavin Newsom, Nasty Pelosi's nephew, does not lock our city down again.

 

[Far West]