A higher standard?

[LisaC]

But is there scripture to support that the pastor is untouchable?

 

[Grey Colson]

Yes to the first, no to the second. They are held to a high level of accountability but it's not my job to discipline individually. I got enough planks in my eye sockets, I can't see others.

Trust me, my plank is huge! Our discussion was more in line with how does a church hold a pastor accountable - or should they?

Simple, really….

You're FIRED!​

 

[LisaC]

Yes to the first, no to the second. They are held to a high level of accountability but it's not my job to discipline individually. I got enough planks in my eye sockets, I can't see others.

Trust me, my plank is huge! Our discussion was more in line with how does a church hold a pastor accountable - or should they?

Simple, really….

You're FIRED!​

Sorry, while Donald Trump may think he is god, he's NOT my God. :girlsaysno

 

[stradial]

But is there scripture to support that the pastor is untouchable?

While not being up on my bible scripture as well as most, I can say with fair confidence that there is no scripture that says the pastor is untouchable,
How can I say that when I am not up on my scripture?
I say that because if it was in there somewhere, I am sure it would have been used the two times that a church I belong to was having issues with the pastor and their behavior.
While many scriptures were used to justify one side or the other, I never heard of one that said the preacher was untouchable.

Unless you are Catholic, I think the Pope is pretty untouchable, but not being Catholic, I could be wrong about that.

 

[LisaC]

But is there scripture to support that the pastor is untouchable?

While not being up on my bible scripture as well as most, I can say with fair confidence that there is no scripture that says the pastor is untouchable,
How can I say that when I am not up on my scripture?
I say that because if it was in there somewhere, I am sure it would have been used the two times that a church I belong to was having issues with the pastor and their behavior.
While many scriptures were used to justify one side or the other, I never heard of one that said the preacher was untouchable.

Unless you are Catholic, I think the Pope is pretty untouchable, but not being Catholic, I could be wrong about that.

The more I have read and researched over the past two days leads me to believe that you are correct. And actually, I don't even believe the Pope is deemed "untouchable," even though he is "the Pope." But, I'm not Catholic either so... :dunno

 

[Grey Colson]

Yes to the first, no to the second. They are held to a high level of accountability but it's not my job to discipline individually. I got enough planks in my eye sockets, I can't see others.

Trust me, my plank is huge! Our discussion was more in line with how does a church hold a pastor accountable - or should they?

Simple, really….

You're FIRED!​

Sorry, while Donald Trump may think he is god, he's NOT my God. :girlsaysno

Trump is not representing God, but the church. Never heard of a pastor/preacher getting run off by a congregation before? Of course, in the case of some religious organizations, the members have no say at all about who comes in and goes out of their pulpit. To each his own :dunno

 

[mei lan]

But is there scripture to support that the pastor is untouchable?

No there is not. Some folks will point to David not killing Saul when he could have as saying they shouldn't go against a pfeacher, but that has nothing to do with a church or denomination's policy of discipline. And the situation with Moses completely does not apply today.

What does your friend give e to back up his/her assertions?

 

[LisaC]

But is there scripture to support that the pastor is untouchable?

No there is not. Some folks will point to David not killing Saul when he could have as saying they shouldn't go against a pfeacher, but that has nothing to do with a church or denomination's policy of discipline. And the situation with Moses completely does not apply today.

What does your friend give e to back up his/her assertions?

Numbers 12 - the story of Miriam and Aaron speaking out against Moses. It's clear what God does to punish them for speaking out against Moses. God spoke face to face and openly to Moses. I have never known of a single pastor who has proclaimed that God has spoken with him face to face and openly. Some pastors claim to be prophets, but even prophets are treated differently than Moses.



ETA: Okay, typing out this answer, just gave me the answer I am looking for. I've read and re-read that scripture and it just clicked. Panda, you are awesome!! :love :love :love

 

[mei lan]

But is there scripture to support that the pastor is untouchable?

No there is not. Some folks will point to David not killing Saul when he could have as saying they shouldn't go against a pfeacher, but that has nothing to do with a church or denomination's policy of discipline. And the situation with Moses completely does not apply today.

What does your friend give e to back up his/her assertions?

Numbers 12 - the story of Miriam and Aaron speaking out against Moses. It's clear what God does to punish them for speaking out against Moses. God spoke face to face and openly to Moses. I have never known of a single pastor who has proclaimed that God has spoken with him face to face and openly. Some pastors claim to be prophets, but even prophets are treated differently than Moses.



ETA: Okay, typing out this answer, just gave me the answer I am looking for. I've read and re-read that scripture and it just clicked. Panda, you are awesome!! :love :love :love

Glad I could be of assistance.

 

[campbell1968]

This is based on a discussion that I had with a friend. Do you think pastors should be held to a higher standard than the rest of us? Also, how do you discipline a pastor? Or is that solely up to God?




Thoughts folks? :dunno

yes, they are in leadership positions and have the ability to persuade a flock.

They should practice what they preach at least

 

[Guard Dad]

The scripture says pastors and deacons should be "above reproach". That means they should be men worthy of trust and confidence; but when they do not live up to that standard they certainly are not untouchable.

Our church is having the debate right now as to who or what body is Biblically qualified to "deal with" the pastor. Currently, and this seems to be a common trend in churches; the body of deacons handles the pastor. But being that a deacon is. by biblical definition, a servant to the pastor and the flock; we are questioning that. So I don't have a clear answer as to whom the pastor answers to, but I do know that he is accountable to the church. The Bible does warn against false prophets, and those are sometimes pastors.

Many think that the pastor should be in charge of the church, and that simply is not the case. While 1 Timothy does say the pastor should rule over the church, the proper translation of the term "rule" in that context is to stand before. The pastor should be the spiritual leader of the church, but not the boss, if that makes any sense.

Who is the head of the church? The scripture is clear, Jesus Christ. Jesus is the CEO, to use business terminology. It is also Biblical that the church have government within, but that varies considerably from church to church. IMO, there should be no person or group within the church with the authority to tell the pastor what to do or say; but there must be a means of discipline for and even removal of a pastor who is not being led by Christ.

 

[mathetes]

This is based on a discussion that I had with a friend. Do you think pastors should be held to a higher standard than the rest of us? Also, how do you discipline a pastor? Or is that solely up to God?




Thoughts folks? :dunno

The bible gives the standard for pastors in titus 1:5-9