J-man said:Yes to the first, no to the second. They are held to a high level of accountability but it's not my job to discipline individually. I got enough planks in my eye sockets, I can't see others.
I believe they should, but should do so prayerfully.LisaC said:J-man said:Yes to the first, no to the second. They are held to a high level of accountability but it's not my job to discipline individually. I got enough planks in my eye sockets, I can't see others.
Trust me, my plank is huge! Our discussion was more in line with how does a church hold a pastor accountable - or should they?
LisaC said:J-man said:Yes to the first, no to the second. They are held to a high level of accountability but it's not my job to discipline individually. I got enough planks in my eye sockets, I can't see others.
Trust me, my plank is huge! Our discussion was more in line with how does a church hold a pastor accountable - or should they?
mei lan said:LisaC said:J-man said:Yes to the first, no to the second. They are held to a high level of accountability but it's not my job to discipline individually. I got enough planks in my eye sockets, I can't see others.
Trust me, my plank is huge! Our discussion was more in line with how does a church hold a pastor accountable - or should they?
Srsly? The option NOT to discipline a pastor is on the table? Besides the damage he could potentially do to the Kingdom of God*, left unchecked, he could cause great harm to the church itself in many, MANY ways. I should think the threat of firing would be among the options of a church whose pastor had committed a firing offense.** I think the board of elders/whatever should have final say. Not just because of this but because you don't want a church built around a man and that's hard enough to avoid even with a governing body.
* God is perfectly able to take up for Himself...I'm just sayin'...
** I do recognize that there are churches out there that are basically little community fiefdoms with the deacons hanging firing over the preacher's head at all times for anything they dream up if it suitsnthem. Not talking about that.
LisaC said:mei lan said:LisaC said:J-man said:Yes to the first, no to the second. They are held to a high level of accountability but it's not my job to discipline individually. I got enough planks in my eye sockets, I can't see others.
Trust me, my plank is huge! Our discussion was more in line with how does a church hold a pastor accountable - or should they?
Srsly? The option NOT to discipline a pastor is on the table? Besides the damage he could potentially do to the Kingdom of God*, left unchecked, he could cause great harm to the church itself in many, MANY ways. I should think the threat of firing would be among the options of a church whose pastor had committed a firing offense.** I think the board of elders/whatever should have final say. Not just because of this but because you don't want a church built around a man and that's hard enough to avoid even with a governing body.
* God is perfectly able to take up for Himself...I'm just sayin'...
** I do recognize that there are churches out there that are basically little community fiefdoms with the deacons hanging firing over the preacher's head at all times for anything they dream up if it suitsnthem. Not talking about that.
It was explained to me that the pastor should be treated like Moses, as untouchable. I spent last night looking for scripture to back up that argument, but couldn't find anything so I decided to reach out to y'all. So, if you know of a scripture that supports that, please share it. I came from a Methodist church where church discipline was clearly spelled out according to scripture and everyone (including leadership) was held to that standard so this is a new point of view for me so I want to learn more about it.
stradial said:LisaC said:mei lan said:LisaC said:J-man said:Yes to the first, no to the second. They are held to a high level of accountability but it's not my job to discipline individually. I got enough planks in my eye sockets, I can't see others.
Trust me, my plank is huge! Our discussion was more in line with how does a church hold a pastor accountable - or should they?
Srsly? The option NOT to discipline a pastor is on the table? Besides the damage he could potentially do to the Kingdom of God*, left unchecked, he could cause great harm to the church itself in many, MANY ways. I should think the threat of firing would be among the options of a church whose pastor had committed a firing offense.** I think the board of elders/whatever should have final say. Not just because of this but because you don't want a church built around a man and that's hard enough to avoid even with a governing body.
* God is perfectly able to take up for Himself...I'm just sayin'...
** I do recognize that there are churches out there that are basically little community fiefdoms with the deacons hanging firing over the preacher's head at all times for anything they dream up if it suitsnthem. Not talking about that.
It was explained to me that the pastor should be treated like Moses, as untouchable. I spent last night looking for scripture to back up that argument, but couldn't find anything so I decided to reach out to y'all. So, if you know of a scripture that supports that, please share it. I came from a Methodist church where church discipline was clearly spelled out according to scripture and everyone (including leadership) was held to that standard so this is a new point of view for me so I want to learn more about it.
As you know, I have issues with organized religion.
They are my issues, not any religion's issues.
But if someone told me the "leader" of anything was "untouchable", it would send up major red flags to me.
stradial said:The first rule of a good cult, is that the leader is not subjected to the same rules as everyone else and they are not held accountable for their actions.
Now I am not saying your church is a cult, by any means.
I am saying that, to me, the thinking that anyone is "untouchable" or uncountable, is a dangerous thing.
Even if that person is a good and honorable person.
LisaC said:stradial said:The first rule of a good cult, is that the leader is not subjected to the same rules as everyone else and they are not held accountable for their actions.
Now I am not saying your church is a cult, by any means.
I am saying that, to me, the thinking that anyone is "untouchable" or uncountable, is a dangerous thing.
Even if that person is a good and honorable person.
Don't worry, I get what you're saying. Our church has specific guidelines on discipline - all in line with Matthew 18. This isn't a "church" belief, this is simply one person's belief.
stradial said:LisaC said:stradial said:The first rule of a good cult, is that the leader is not subjected to the same rules as everyone else and they are not held accountable for their actions.
Now I am not saying your church is a cult, by any means.
I am saying that, to me, the thinking that anyone is "untouchable" or uncountable, is a dangerous thing.
Even if that person is a good and honorable person.
Don't worry, I get what you're saying. Our church has specific guidelines on discipline - all in line with Matthew 18. This isn't a "church" belief, this is simply one person's belief.
I understand.
LisaC said:stradial said:LisaC said:stradial said:The first rule of a good cult, is that the leader is not subjected to the same rules as everyone else and they are not held accountable for their actions.
Now I am not saying your church is a cult, by any means.
I am saying that, to me, the thinking that anyone is "untouchable" or uncountable, is a dangerous thing.
Even if that person is a good and honorable person.
Don't worry, I get what you're saying. Our church has specific guidelines on discipline - all in line with Matthew 18. This isn't a "church" belief, this is simply one person's belief.
I understand.
Now, please also understand that just because I have purchase one pair of Crocs, this does not mean that we have formed our own cult.... :taunt