Global Warming ... not made by man 60,000 years ago ...

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An interesting Fact I did not know about...


January 17, 2018: “The Underwater Forest,” with Ben Raines
Environmental reporter and filmmaker Ben Raines will describe the secrets of an ancient underwater cypress forest recently discovered south of Alabama's Gulf Shores in the Gulf of Mexico. The cypress forest dates back to an Ice Age more than 60,000 years ago, when sea levels were 400 feet lower than today. Ben’s acclaimed documentary about the forest was released in June 2017.


Poked around on the internet and found a large article.

Interesting... I have always said our planet has had huge changes without fossil fuel or man being the cause.:ninja:

Below snips from a very interesting article article I found... never heard about this in the news, maybe I missed it.

I knew the shark's tooth was the state fossil of GA, at one time much of Georgia was under ocean water. This article speaks a little about that... I never read about the coastline being further off the current coast we see now.

http://www.al.com/news/mobile/index.ssf/2017/06/underwater_forest_discovered_alabama.html


"For the record, DeLong is talking about sea level rising or falling around 75 feet in just 1,000 years. This would translate into a rate of sea level rise of about 8 feet every 100 years, or even faster than the current worst-case predictions for the near future.

Becker said science, and even the very existence of the Underwater Forest itself, provides such concrete proof of climate change and fluctuating sea levels that he fears the politicians of today are spending too much time arguing about what role pollution may have played in our current climate rather than focusing on how to get ready for the coming changes.

“When you study the past, fossils and such, you start to think, ‘We’re not here for a long time, we’re just here for a good time,’” Becker said. “The sea is rising, just as it has in the past. Places we live are going to be flooded, just as the Underwater Forest was. It may happen in five years, it may happen in 10 ten, it may not happen in my lifetime, but it is going to happen.”

The proof, he said, is all around us, from the fossils in the ground, to this ancient forest under the sea. "
 
That's what I've said all along. Spending zillions trying to stop it and then finding out it wasn't man caused after all would be a disaster. We need to be looking at how to cope with it if it looks to really be happening.
 
One of my two main concerns about the voracity of AGW is the lack of an ability to go back and recreate the past. Not so much 60,000 years ago because there are just too many variables, but not even 800-1200 years ago (the MWP), a time when records were fairly well kept. It's bothersome that the warmist's own research predicts that that period would have occurred hundreds of years later, and they can't explain those findings. Carbon either has a certain strength of effect in the atmosphere or it doesn't. There is no sometimes. They brush this anomaly off by saying that "maybe" it was just in the northern hemisphere, and when studies show that it was global, they start to fiddle with the record.

I don't doubt that it is occurring. I don't doubt that we contribute. I doubt the models that show Armageddon, and I seriously doubt the "fix" of reducing carbon to civil war levels. There has been almost no "environmental economics" research done, and instead of shoving dollars to poor countries as some sort of restitution for success, how about we do some technological research into how to engineer our way around some of the main obstacles presented by a warming earth. This Chicken Little stuff is insane.
 
Very interesting!

I'm pretty much of the exact opinion LTD is on this issue.

And I will add...I think many fail to realize the Earth's ability to self-correct as needed. The atmosphere, the glaciers, the oceans, the land masses and water cycle, volcanoes, foliage ...these and more factors are all factors that react to changes in our climate.

We shouldn't abuse the Earth, I'm not saying that at all. But let's not underestimate the planet's ability to solve it's own problems.

The Climate Change movement as we know it is nothing but a means by the political left to control people.
 
Guard Dad said:
Very interesting!

I'm pretty much of the exact opinion LTD is on this issue.

And I will add...I think many fail to realize the Earth's ability to self-correct as needed. The atmosphere, the glaciers, the oceans, the land masses and water cycle, volcanoes, foliage ...these and more factors are all factors that react to changes in our climate.

We shouldn't abuse the Earth, I'm not saying that at all. But let's not underestimate the planet's ability to solve it's own problems.

The Climate Change movement as we know it is nothing but a means by the political left to control people.
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I think the main problem with relying on the earth to "evolve" to mitigate the problem is twofold. The first is that such processes are incredibly slow in comparison to the lifespan of a human being or even the species, and the rate of change in the atmosphere, even if the warmists are only, say, half right. The other is that Mother Nature doesn't give a hoot about humans as a species, any more than she did the 99.9% of species that once existed on earth that are now extinct. The evolution of the environment, whether natural, man made, or caused by cosmic collisions, will favor some species and kill off others. It's up to us to be on the winning side, and there are other ways to win beyond effectively stopping our carbon production, a plan that even if possible would have a fairly small effect in the foreseeable future.

I'm not at all opposed to exploring the idea of terraforming right here on earth. Plant billions more trees, invent planet level carbon scrubbers, build dike systems, genetically engineer food sources that are better suited to a warming planet, extract drinking water from the atmosphere, and yes, cut carbon as much as reasonable. If we help nature along in these ways, we can live in a much warmer world. But I do believe it is up to us, not natural processes to make and guide the evolution.
 
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