The Pope - Round 4
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opcorn
Well, there was another article today about him. It was about offering baptism.....to martian aliens. And no, it wasn't in a sci-fi magazine. I was not going to post it but since I just can't help myself...LOL. No, I can't. I actually agree with him on this one too. If they do exist, I want to know, and we want to baptize them.
mei lan
Pursuit Driver
SD most be busy or she'd thump you.
But this reminds me that I just found out that the death of a dear friend many states away some months ago was due to suicide. The mutual friend who told me is devout RC, so I asked her what the Church's position on suicide is, since I've always heard that they consider it to be an unpardonable sin. Part of her response is below, and I found it quite instructive and sensible.
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The Catechism of the Catholic Church states the teaching on suicide better
than I can summarize, please allow me to just type out the paragraphs
(2280-2283).
"Everyone is responsible for his life before God who has given it to him.
It is God who remains the sovereign Master of life. We are obliged to
accept life gratefully and preserve it for his honor and the salvation of
our souls. We are stewards, not owners, of the life God has entrusted to
us. It is not ours to dispose of.
Suicide contradicts the natural inclination of the human being to preserve
and perpetuate his life. It is gravely contrary to the just love of self.
It likewise offends love of neighbor because it unjustly breaks the ties of
solidarity with family, nation, and other human societies to which we
continue to have obligations. Suicide is contrary to love for the living
God.
If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example,
especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal.
Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law.
Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship,
suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing
suicide.
We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken
their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the
opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have
taken their own lives."
But this reminds me that I just found out that the death of a dear friend many states away some months ago was due to suicide. The mutual friend who told me is devout RC, so I asked her what the Church's position on suicide is, since I've always heard that they consider it to be an unpardonable sin. Part of her response is below, and I found it quite instructive and sensible.
***
The Catechism of the Catholic Church states the teaching on suicide better
than I can summarize, please allow me to just type out the paragraphs
(2280-2283).
"Everyone is responsible for his life before God who has given it to him.
It is God who remains the sovereign Master of life. We are obliged to
accept life gratefully and preserve it for his honor and the salvation of
our souls. We are stewards, not owners, of the life God has entrusted to
us. It is not ours to dispose of.
Suicide contradicts the natural inclination of the human being to preserve
and perpetuate his life. It is gravely contrary to the just love of self.
It likewise offends love of neighbor because it unjustly breaks the ties of
solidarity with family, nation, and other human societies to which we
continue to have obligations. Suicide is contrary to love for the living
God.
If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example,
especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal.
Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law.
Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship,
suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing
suicide.
We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken
their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the
opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have
taken their own lives."
Blazing Saddles
Pursuit Driver
We forgot round 3.
Boss 302
Pursuit Driver
mei lan said:
I think when someone commits suicide, they did so because they were not mentally well. There are many cases where someone suffering from severe depression have committed suicide. I for one do not believe if they were a Christian they went to Hell for committing suicide. I know a lot of Catholics who say victims of suicide go to Hell because they could not confess to have committed to that sin before taking their own life.