Repeal and Replace 2.0

If we can't repeal it and replace it with a consumer centric plan administered by the states, maybe we can rename it to make sure we get full credit when it tanks in ten years.
 
I'm not getting excited over it this time. I'm just waiting on the final results and the justifications or excuses. I'll make my opinion known at the next election.
 
I'll get excited when the feds announce that they re totally pulling out of healthcare.



Which would be the proverbial cold day in hell
 
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cptlo306 said:
Agreed. About the only one standing firm on this from an actual conservative standpoint is Rand Paul. Trump isn't helping either...he would sign any bill that gets passed just to be able to say he repealed Obamacare regardless of what is in the bill.
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As much as I agree with Rand Paul on many issues; he has some of the same problems his daddy does. He's just goofy and dorky and just he can't seem to romance the mainstream voters.

There has to be a real conservative out there with the charm and personality to win an election.


Hmmm, maybe I should run?

But then all the thong stuff would come out. :D
 
Guard Dad said:
As much as I agree with Rand Paul on many issues; he has some of the same problems his daddy does. He's just goofy and dorky and just he can't seem to romance the mainstream voters.

There has to be a real conservative out there with the charm and personality to win an election.


Hmmm, maybe I should run?

But then all the thong stuff would come out. :D
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And the gas....goodness gracious!!!
 
Guard Dad said:
As much as I agree with Rand Paul on many issues; he has some of the same problems his daddy does. He's just goofy and dorky and just he can't seem to romance the mainstream voters.

There has to be a real conservative out there with the charm and personality to win an election.


Hmmm, maybe I should run?

But then all the thong stuff would come out. :D
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I have the charm and personality to win. Ya'll start giving me money.
 
Guard Dad said:
I'll get excited when the feds announce that they re totally pulling out of healthcare.



Which would be the proverbial cold day in hell
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this is an article in a good database that discusses the pros and cons of federal involvement in healthcare.
If you are open to read it, the article explains very well. I don't think you really want the FDA to stop testing drugs before we take them or stop the licensing of physicians and other providers for safe care.
There are many things that people do not consider when making a stand against total no federal regulation. If you have ever worked in my field, it's tedious but much necessary to have many programs at the federal level in place to provide safe, consistent, medical care to the entire population.
Who would you propose to study viruses, diseases at a national level and work on vaccinations, individual states?
That would be a cluster to say it lightly. You may not like federal regulation but there are many parts that keep you safe without you realizing it.
There are no states that will have the money to give adequate medical care on its own. That is not just my opinion but the opinion and knowledge of many others who are in the medical field.

Its a song and dance that is played and a much less informed dream that each indiviual state can "do their own thing" and take care of all the facets of the medical system. Not so. Would never happen. States now have to reach into federal funding to help protect the health and delivery of safe care to everyone. Not just indigent people but you and me and all of us. Having 50 ways of regulating things that affect human life would be about as chaotic and ineffective as one could imagine.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2730786/
 
Boss 302 said:
You know we will end up with a single-payer system that will result in everyone paying higher taxes.
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The United States already has a single payer system in place.
Medicare and Medicaid are essentially single payer systems. The only difference is that they cover specific groups of people instead of the general population. At the moment, only senior citizens, young children, and those who have low incomes qualify for such a system. Converting to a general population single payer system using these structures would make the transition very easy to complete.

There are no questions of health insurance coverage or affordable care in a single payer system. Everyone is given the opportunity to go see the doctor when they feel ill, need treatment, or have an injury. It doesn’t matter if you are rich or you are poor. In a single payer system, health care is a right instead of being treated as a privilege.

Canada has a single payer system and their spending is $2,233 less per person than in the United States. Canada has a life expectancy rate which is 2 years higher than that of the US and a lower infant mortality rate as well.

Although there are generally higher taxes for populations that have a single payer system, there are no health insurance costs that need to be paid either. The costs may be a little higher for most households, but there is also a guarantee of coverage. With some families paying more than $600 per month, even with employer-sponsored coverage, it may be cheaper for some to transition to this type of health care system.

Private medical providers can establish services outside of the single payer system if they wish. These private-pay options can set their own rates, allowing medical providers to clear the margins they wish to have outside of the mandated single-payer system.

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One of the biggest problems that the United States faces is a shortage of qualified medical personnel. Forbes reported in 2016 that even with the growth of specialists, there will be a shortage of up to 94,700 doctors in the US by 2025 to care for the aging population. Even with a single-payer system in place, patients are still going to be stuck with a lack of access issue in some regions.


For countries that have already established a single payer system, the pool of cash that is used for care typically comes from taxation. This is seen in the US already as well through the Medicare/Medicaid salary withholding tax. Corporate and sales taxes are often raised to supplement the fund, with some countries putting higher taxes on gasoline.

Also an interesting read about univeral healthcare instead is here: https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-pros-and-cons-of-a-single-payer-system-vs-universal-healthcare

This seems to be one of the best out of 2 evils we now have at this time in our country. Unfortunately, people don't understand that we already have single payer systems which include medicaid, medicare, and govenment run insurance such as tricare.

The states are in no way, fashion or form adequate enough to take on this alone. Yes, taxes may go up but if you are paying more than a mortgage for premiums it would be far less. To say you want to get rid of medicare and medicaid means that you don't care about aging population or children.my years in public health really were eye openers for why federal involvement is necessary. I realize that other people do not understandbecause they have not been in the midst of it but healthcare is not car insurance or a car dealership where you can play with numbers to get the cheapest care at the expense of lives. We are not cars.
You are going to see doctors, nurse practitioners, Pa's walk away from their profession if they have no regulations to protect them. Then you really won't get healthcare at all. You can have your cake and eat it too.
The NIH, National institute of Health is one example of a significan and important resource for medical care and information.
The CDC is necesary unless you don't care about the study and reseach of disease so prevention can be found.
HIPPA is necessary for fraud and to keep your medical history protecteed.
Federal grants are a blessing for programs in which states cannot provide care all alone.
VAWA Violence Against Women Act is another program that has a history of positive effects.
These are just starters that if yanked away because some just can't stand the thought of someone else "controlling" would not be a good thing.
 
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