Poll -- Will Trump build the wall with or without the Democrats?
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I’m not at all concerned about what the Dems “may” do in regards to precedence of this declaration from Trump. I’m also not concerned with this or any future Dem action heading to court. It’s exactly why we have our system we do. What I’m happy about is Trump standing his ground and at least trying to do what he pledged. We’ve been so conditioned to accept the lack of or minimal token action we don’t know how to act when he follows through.
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JawJa
Driving Instructor
IMO...
There are SOOOOO many advantages to having the wall in place...
The problems getting it done... are just not that important.
Will the left get their feathers ruffles... of course they will.
Since when do we choose to let the left determine our destiny... when we have other choices???
There are SOOOOO many advantages to having the wall in place...
The problems getting it done... are just not that important.
Will the left get their feathers ruffles... of course they will.
Since when do we choose to let the left determine our destiny... when we have other choices???
cptlo
Pursuit Driver
I'm 100% for the wall...in fact, I think it should be twice as tall as Trump wants it. I also think the constitution and separation of powers actually mean something. Sure, other presidents have done unconstitutional things but using that as an argument for Trump doing it too doesn't make it OK.
honeybunny
Pursuit Driver
There's nothing to stop them from trying regardless of what Trump does...
honeybunny
Pursuit Driver
Trump was always going to build the wall... and now he has almost 5 billion dollars to spend before ever touching the emergency funds :
Boss 302
Pursuit Driver
The question is - is it unconstitutional for him to declare this emergency to strengthen security along our southern border? Take into consideration how we are in a war against Islamic terrorism and how many known terrorists have been captured attempting to enter our country illegally across the southern border with Mexico. We must also take into consideration the large numbers of illegal immigrants who are now sitting in our prisons because they committed heinous crimes against American citizens.
Granted, he had a GOP majority during his first two years as president, but look at how many Republicans were against him. Sure there are those in the GOP who say they "want" a wall, but what members of the party brought forth any legislation to build a wall? The GOP is guilty of keeping the controversy of illegal immigration in the forefront as nothing more than false campaign promises because the majority of our citizens want a wall constructed. The GOP hdid absolutely NOTHING to reform illegal immigration and strengthen security along our southern border while they were the majority during Trump's first two years. The GOP is nothing but all bark and no bite when it comes to this issue.
Granted, he had a GOP majority during his first two years as president, but look at how many Republicans were against him. Sure there are those in the GOP who say they "want" a wall, but what members of the party brought forth any legislation to build a wall? The GOP is guilty of keeping the controversy of illegal immigration in the forefront as nothing more than false campaign promises because the majority of our citizens want a wall constructed. The GOP hdid absolutely NOTHING to reform illegal immigration and strengthen security along our southern border while they were the majority during Trump's first two years. The GOP is nothing but all bark and no bite when it comes to this issue.
honeybunny
Pursuit Driver
You can't see the forest for the trees.
Trump signed 3 actions yesterday...
This ED is just a slight of hand distraction while he is building the wall.
It's a shiny object.
He knew it would be tied up in court and suck up all the media attention.
That presser was a performance.
Trump signed 3 actions yesterday...
This ED is just a slight of hand distraction while he is building the wall.
It's a shiny object.
He knew it would be tied up in court and suck up all the media attention.
That presser was a performance.
JawJa
Driving Instructor
I cannot remember all the facts...
However as HoneyBunny said...
Trump signed 3x items Friday...
A guest host was on Mark Levin Friday evening... the first 30 minute segment had a pretty good explanation of what Trump did...
And yes, IMO he played the DIMS pretty good!
Long story short... the wall IS being built... and lots of funding is ALREADY IN PLACE!
However as HoneyBunny said...
Trump signed 3x items Friday...
A guest host was on Mark Levin Friday evening... the first 30 minute segment had a pretty good explanation of what Trump did...
And yes, IMO he played the DIMS pretty good!
Long story short... the wall IS being built... and lots of funding is ALREADY IN PLACE!
JawJa
Driving Instructor
Follow up...
Here you go... found a summary of the stuff I heard Friday evening on the radio:
Trump Didn't Sign One Executive Action (The NED), He Signed Three. They Are To Be Executed IN ORDER, Thereby Not Allowing The Court Challenge To Delay Wall Construction.
A fact sheet issued by the White House identifies three distinct statutory bases for making available the additional $6.5 billion. The fact sheet specifies that “these funding sources will be used sequentially and as needed.”
First, according to the fact sheet, $601 million would come from the Department of the Treasury Forfeiture Fund, an account that is fed by money seized by the U.S. government in connection with law enforcement actions or generated by the sale of seized assets. No national emergency declaration is needed to tap these funds. 31 U.S.C. § 9705(g)(4)(B) authorizes the Forfeiture Fund to use the funds for specific purposes outlined in that section.
Second, the fact sheet indicates that $2.5 billion would come from funds authorized pursuant to 10 U.S.C. § 284, which likewise does not depend on a declaration of emergency. This statute authorizes the secretary of defense to “provide support for the counter-drug activities or activities to counter transnational organized crime of any other department or agency of the Federal Government or of any State, local, tribal, or foreign law enforcement agency” for the purposes set forth in the section if requested by another federal agency or state, local or tribal government in support of law enforcement efforts. Those purposes include, among other things, “construction of roads and fences and installation of lighting to block drug smuggling corridors across international boundaries of the United States”
Third, $3.6 billion would be drawn from the Department of Defense military construction budget. 10 U.S.C. § 2808(a). This is the only portion of the funds that requires the declaration of a national emergency.
Additionally, the new spending bill allocated $1.3b for construction, although it dictates exclusions as to where it could be spent, no problem, the first two Executive Actions can fill those gaps.
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So in a nutshell... Trump now has $4.476B to work on his wall... all of which is beyond the reach of the left to obstruct and/or block...
And another $3.6B more that will work its way through the courts and SCOTUS will approve (as they approved the travel ban... which any student of the Constitution knew all along).
Sounds like a total of $8.076B will be funding some wall construction...
Wonder how much wall we get for roughly $8B~~~
Oh, and most of this phase of the wall construction will go to: repairing the old walls that are not adequate (per recommendations by CBP)... and building out most of the wall in Texas. Why Texas... Texas is NOT under the jurisdiction of the 9th circuit courts.... rather the 5th circuit... the latter is more friendly to Trump and the wall.
Personal opinion: When most of Texas has a nice safe wall... and the news starts to trickle out... that life has actually IMPROVED in Texas, due to the wall... the attitude towards the wall will improve!
Imagine with me: Texas feels the benefits of the wall... yet NM, AZ, and CA do NOT...
Wonder how long it will take for common sense to sink in...
JawJa
Driving Instructor
One more thing about the wall...
We hear something about the budget bill has something in it... where local govts get to say where the wall goes in their area...
Well that is all fine and dandy... however that would not line up with law:
It's called the Roosevelt Reservation. Proclamation 758, signed in 1907, provided a 60 foot easement along the US-Mexico border for government use. Hmmmm...I wonder what we could build?
Be an interesting legal battle to see who prevails...
MeThinks the left is just blowing smoke... to keep their base of naive idealists from jumping ship.
We hear something about the budget bill has something in it... where local govts get to say where the wall goes in their area...
Well that is all fine and dandy... however that would not line up with law:
It's called the Roosevelt Reservation. Proclamation 758, signed in 1907, provided a 60 foot easement along the US-Mexico border for government use. Hmmmm...I wonder what we could build?
Be an interesting legal battle to see who prevails...
MeThinks the left is just blowing smoke... to keep their base of naive idealists from jumping ship.
lotstodo
aka "The Jackal"
The Roosevelt Reservation only runs from the Pacific Ocean to the Rio Grande. The property in Texas is mostly a mix of State of Texas and private property. Most private property owners outside metro areas do not support the wall because it would cut their property off from the river, and in West and Central Texas you don't buy land, you buy water.
Building new sections of wall in Texas will not be a popular or easy proposition.
lotstodo
aka "The Jackal"
The Federal Government cannot exercise eminent domain without express permission from Congress. There appears to be no exception in the Emergency Powers Act. Several large landowners said they will not give the federal government and easement nor sell their property along the river to the government. The center of the river is the legal border. Moving the river moves the border, and diverting the water is controlled by treaty and both state and federal regulation. Unless breaking several laws and and a treaty is part of that plan, I don't know of anything that will allow him to take or use border property in Texas.I grew up in Texas...
Left when I was mid 30's
Read a few months ago... there are plans already in motion to resolve the water thing...
Combination of multiple govt agencies are gonna resolve that issue.
He may be able to declare the emergency(another subject), we will have to see, but building a complete wall in Texas does not depend soley upon that fact. There are a lot of moving parts, and I seriously doubt that they are anything a GOB clan can ignore, not even Texans.
Now let's get to the cost, $23 billion. If he were to attempt to take that out of the defense budget, even the Republicans in Congress would have a fit. I would imagine that somewhere before that happened, Congress would repeal the Emergency Powers Act and have the 2/3 majority to make that veto proof.
Now let's talk about time. The President is declaring an emergency to do something that experts predict will take 13 years to complete. He will be either 2 or 6 years into it when he leaves.