Mueller Report and More

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As I understand it, congress and some of the news people have seen briefs of what will be in the final report.

Interestingly, we are getting two very opposite spins on what it says. The left are claiming (perhaps a bit too hard) that it will take Trump down, or at least get him indicted when he leaves office. The right is saying that the report will vindicate Trump.

Two issues seem to be at the center of it; supposed campaign finance violations, and Trump's apparent negotiations to build a hotel in Russia, which reportedly included a swanky penthouse for Putin.

Moral judgements aside; I wonder if either are actually illegal. Regarding the campaign finance issue; they revolve around hush money paid to Stormy Daniels and another gal. I suppose the details will be the determining factors, but it's my understanding that such payments made by an individual using private money would not violate campaign finance laws. The left is trying to make it look like any and all money spend during a campaign applies.

As to the Russia issue...the timing of it admittedly is not the best, but again, is it illegal? if Trump had not been a candidate at the time, it would have just been an international business deal, yes? So what makes it collusion? I suppose the devil will be in the details of this as well.

But again, the howling from the Dems tends to make me think that nothing will come of it, and they are just using the issue to fire up their sheeple base.


The interesting stuff that is just recently coming to the forefront is the renewed investigation into the Clintons. The email scandal is back, they are looking into the Clinton Foundation dirt again, and Uranium One seems to be getting dug into big time. Why on the latter? There's some indication that this will not only look bad on Hillary, but also Mueller.

I get the impression that the timing of all this is not by accident, and that the stuff on Clinton and Mueller is being brought back to life just now as a counter to the Mueller report on Trump.

I think things are about to get interesting, and that this will only confirm what many of us already knew, that Washington is sick and corrupt.


Any and all thoughts or comments are welcome. I'm curious to see how this will unfold.
 
Regarding the campaign finance issue; they revolve around hush money paid to Stormy Daniels and another gal. I suppose the details will be the determining factors, but it's my understanding that such payments made by an individual using private money would not violate campaign finance laws.

From what I've read, the issue is that Trump directed Cohen to make the payments. Cohen making the payments, if they are deemed as campaign contributions, would be illegal since the payments are higher than the allowed amount. So, the potential issue is Trump directed Cohen to break the law which is also against the law. Had Trump paid them directly, there would be no problem since he can pay as much as he'd like.
 
From what I've read, the issue is that Trump directed Cohen to make the payments. Cohen making the payments, if they are deemed as campaign contributions, would be illegal since the payments are higher than the allowed amount. So, the potential issue is Trump directed Cohen to break the law which is also against the law. Had Trump paid them directly, there would be no problem since he can pay as much as he'd like.
But even at that, was it illegal? Cohen was Trump's personal attorney. Directing Cohen to make personal transaction using personal money would not be a campaign finance violation, if my understanding of the law is correct.
 
But even at that, was it illegal? Cohen was Trump's personal attorney. Directing Cohen to make personal transaction using personal money would not be a campaign finance violation, if my understanding of the law is correct.
I have read several opinions given by legal experts who say it would not be illegal, as the money was not taken from his campaign account. Members of the left are claiming because Trump was largely financing his own campaign, it doesn't matter the money that went to Daniels was from his personal account. The left wants an indictment, but that's hypocritical on their part as the Obama campaign made huge errors with their campaign finances and only received a fine.
 
I’m still waiting for the Clinton’s and Obama’s to be taken down. Once they’re held accountable then I’ll concern myself with Trump. Not defending Trump but let’s move things through the system in a consistent and orderly manner. I’m fine with them all sharing a cell.
 
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I have a huge problem with the Feds going after Trump's attorney. After all, if you have a conversation with a lawyer, it should be confidential. For the Feds to put the arm on Cohen is just wrong in my view. I think the supreme court will somehow rule this was a violation of attorney-client privilege.

Trump won, Hillary lost. That truly made me happy.
 
I have a huge problem with the Feds going after Trump's attorney. After all, if you have a conversation with a lawyer, it should be confidential. For the Feds to put the arm on Cohen is just wrong in my view. I think the supreme court will somehow rule this was a violation of attorney-client privilege.

Trump won, Hillary lost. That truly made me happy.
All else aside, I have thought from the start that this was more about politics than a quest for justice.
 
The government will have to prove that there is no conceivable reason for a married candidate to pay hush money to a hooker other than to win an election. I see no way to do that without proving that Milania knew about the affairs. Good luck with that. Gary Hart's payments were found to not violate campaign finance laws.

As for Putin, that's how business is done. It won't be hard to find dozens of similar deals by regular developers.

They need a bigger gun with a lot more smoke if they want the Senate to convict.
 
IMO this is mostly about public opinion...
It does not, IMO, have anything to do with the law or crimes.

And the left is attempting to redefine what the law says... to suite their agenda.

Our country is a mess about now...
We need to get back onto Constitutional (interpreted as the founders intended) rule of law!!!
 
IMO this is mostly about public opinion...
It does not, IMO, have anything to do with the law or crimes.

And the left is attempting to redefine what the law says... to suite their agenda.

Our country is a mess about now...
We need to get back onto Constitutional (interpreted as the founders intended) rule of law!!!
Well you see what happened when they played the holier than thou fake outrage card during the Kavanaugh hearings. That public opinion game is a two way street, and frankly Trumpsters don't care if he paid hookers and bribed Putin. It's really hard to make Trump look any worse than his Twitter account can accomplish in a single day.
 
The 'prize' being sought after...

Is the give/take ~~~ 10-15% of the vote in the middle...

The self appointed 'thinkers'... who want to wait until the last minute to decide who to vote for.

They are the most vulnerable to being manipulated by either party... and are the difference between winning and loosing an election.

The founders had it right... severally restrict who gets to vote!
 
The 'prize' being sought after...

Is the give/take ~~~ 10-15% of the vote in the middle...

The self appointed 'thinkers'... who want to wait until the last minute to decide who to vote for.

They are the most vulnerable to being manipulated by either party... and are the difference between winning and loosing an election.

The founders had it right... severally restrict who gets to vote!
I don't think we should restrict the right to vote based on race or gender. I have a moral problem with that.

I do think there was something to the idea of the poll tax. As I understand it, it helped to kept the non-producers from voting.

Consider this famous quote:

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage

― Alexander Fraser Tytler

Yes, I know that we're not a pure democracy, but the ideal is still valid.

And it's what we are seeing happen right now...the people riding in the wagon (to use a term borrowed from Phil Gramm) are voting themselves largesse.
 
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