Judge to decide if US Govt can force workers to work without Pay

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I tend to agree with the workers on this one. Yea, they are promised they will get all their pay "when the shutdown is over" but that's little help when you need to feed your family and make house payments. Is the government going to pay the interest for all the short term loans they are going to take out?

What other industry could force their workers to keep working even if they were in bankruptcy and can't pay them now, but promise to pay them "later"? That's right, none. Right to work is one of the freedoms I believe in.

Not to mention the shutdown is such a staged fight. Trump could have had this fight over wall funding with the GOP for the last two years and chose not to. The Wall could be fully under construction by now. Why wait for the battle until now against a house that you know the majority will be against it? This is BS. If he really wanted it he would have pushed for it while he had the majority in "his" party.

Shut down ALL Federal functions, FBI, NSA, TSA (shutting down the airlines and their employees) and including paying the janitors, pages and support staff for the senate and house and see how much quicker something worked out if they are sitting in piles of trash in their offices with no help to answer the phones from millions of voters who are pissed off.



BQ Article Link

(Bloomberg) -- A federal judge on Tuesday will decide whether to grant a temporary order requiring the U.S. to pay its workers or let them stay home or work elsewhere for wages, as the partial government shutdown -- already the longest in American history -- enters its 25th day.
Senior Judge Richard Leon in Washington is considering three lawsuits filed this month in which workers claim that their being forced to work without pay violates the U.S. Constitution and the Fair Labor Standards Act, among others.
Plaintiffs and Claims
  • Plaintiffs include the National Air Traffic Controllers Association (Natca) and the National Treasury Employees Union (NTEU), which represents 150,000 federal workers across 33 agencies, as well as four individuals represented by a Department of Transportation employee, Janette Hardy.
  • NTEU has challenged an exception to the Antideficiency Act that addresses people’s safety and the protection of property. The union argues that a budget directive the administration issued just before last year’s brief shutdown impermissibly broadened the exception to sweep in “the ongoing, regular functions of government.”
  • Natca’s complaint warns of safety lapses and calls its workers’ pay their property, protected by the Constitution. “America wants its air traffic controllers to be laser-focused on landing planes safely and monitoring America’s runways, not distracted by financial issues ... caused by the government’s unlawful taking of their property without due process,” it says.
  • Air Traffic Control Specialist Hardy said the government’s demand that employees work without pay -- on pain of punishment if they fail to show up or seek gainful employment elsewhere -- violates the 13th Amendment’s prohibition against involuntary servitude.
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Why is it...
Govt employees get paid MORE $$$ for a similar job (and do not work as hard)...
Yet they cannot save for a rainy day like we do???

Locally, Associated Credit union has offered to give folks that can prove they are in this group (the ones who are govt employees and are required to work)... 0% (that is zero percent) loans...
They are, IMO, a bunch of whiny children who are complaining they have to deal with the same life conditions the rest of us folk (us folks that pay the taxes that finance their free rides) have to deal with.

Boortz had an interesting comment this morning: When TSA was first formed... it was suggested the airlines should have to run (and fund) it... seems more efficient to me, than another govt looser union.
 
It's certainly not fair to ask someone to forego a paycheck even though they will eventually be made whole. But as one libertarian reporter pointed out, I don't see the same caring when government regulations put private businesses completely under resulting in thousands losing their job.
 
At another forum... there was a short video of a guy pontificating:
BHO put 300K folks out of work when he came down on coal and coal mining... nobody whined about that...
If Pelosi (who is currently whining about govt workers) gets her way and destroys the American firearms industry... it will put hundreds of thousands of folks out of work... I do not see anyone in the media whining about that...

This whining about folks hurting...
Is definitely selective and agenda motivated...
It is, IMO, not about the folks who are having tough time.

Newsflash: we all have tough times in our lives...
The REAL measure is not how tuff the times are...
rather:
How a person gets through the tuff times!!!
 
Having a bunch of Government workers put out of work and making them go private wouldn't bother me, heck I'd like lots of government jobs removed!!

And agree that after the last few shutdowns, you would think they would get a clue and make sure they put some money back.

My problem is some of them being them being told you will work for no pay or get penalized. Some of the workers are being told they are "Critical", and can't quit and get a non-government job, so they must work for no pay for the Government or face prosecution. That's bogus.

Lets face it, this shutdown could last a long time. Someone will have to blink to get the government working again and both sides have bet their careers on winning. Pelosi can't give us this fight without losing massive face, neither can Trump.......... hmmmm

Wait... I wonder... is this Trumps plan? Is this why he waited until the Dems had at least one house? Agree to pass bills to allow payment to the truly critical government jobs and let the "non-critical" die on the vine until they finally give up and get private jobs? Talk about deficit reduction! After a while, just declare all "uncritical" jobs closed? Is that the plan? Create a massive reduction in Government by NOT signing a general spending bill?

Wow. Did he really think that far ahead???
 
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