Is homelessness a crime?

Captain Rhett Butler

Captain Rhett Butler

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I'm of the opinion that public spaces should not become a homeless encampment. I'm hopeful the Supreme Court finds it reasonable to ban camping on public property. Any ruling that gets the left in an uproar is probably the right decision.

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The Supreme Court on Monday was divided over a challenge to the constitutionality of ordinances in a southwest Oregon town that fines people who are homeless from using blankets, pillows, or cardboard boxes for protection from the elements while sleeping within the city limits. The city argued that
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I'm no lawyer, but I believe the more correct term is vagrancy. I don't believe not having a home, in itself, is illegal. Setting up camp wherever you want is where the issue comes in.

I would hope we will look deeper into the issue and at least try to address the root causes behind this. Mental illness is a major factor, and everything being so dammed expensive isn't helping.
 
If SCOTUS makes this about living free in public parks... they have destroyed societal norms that make communities places that are safe and clean and organized. Once people are living on the streets or in parks or at the beach you have trash, shit, and disease, it never improves.

I have said several thousand times, enforce vagrancy laws

The more you give away, the less you require, the more they come for the benefits. So few who are in California homeless, are Californians.



When you subsidize something, you get more of it. The jurisdictions with the biggest homelessness problem are the same ones that have subsidized homelessness and turned it into a lucrative industry. More ways to money launder.

The city of Santa Monica has approved a new apartment complex for the homeless that will cost a staggering $1 million per unit. The $123 million project will include just 122 units. It was approved days after an audit found California spent $24 billion to tackle homelessness between 2018-2023, but did not consistently track whether that massive outpouring of public money actually did anything to help the problem. It hasn't. The homeless count in CA has only gone up and the problem has only gotten worse.

Cherry on top: According to the city, construction won't begin until 2028 and move ins aren't expected until 2030.

Approval of Design Concept for Affordable Housing Development located on City-owned Site located at 1318 Fourth Street and Negotiate Ground Lease and Disposition and Development Agreement - City of Santa Monica, California

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Congratulations to Gavin Newsom & California‘s Homeless Industrial Complex for finally hitting the $1 million per homeless unit mark. It took a lot of hard work, & frankly nobody believed it could be done. Truly a remarkable day for those grifting off of human suffering & death.

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Captain Rhett Butler said:
I'm of the opinion that public spaces should not become a homeless encampment. I'm hopeful the Supreme Court finds it reasonable to ban camping on public property. Any ruling that gets the left in an uproar is probably the right decision.

www.scotusblog.com

Court divided over constitutionality of criminal penalties for homelessness - SCOTUSblog

The Supreme Court on Monday was divided over a challenge to the constitutionality of ordinances in a southwest Oregon town that fines people who are homeless from using blankets, pillows, or cardboard boxes for protection from the elements while sleeping within the city limits. The city argued that
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If there is an open bed in the state and you refuse it... enforce loitering and vagrancy laws... up to prison.

The homelessness is not from missing a pay check.

The people living on the street have problems making life choices that make life work. Many have mental disabilities, these are made worse by or in combination of drug use, they need help, as in an institution. Many are criminals who use living on the street and out of laws to rob, pillage, and steal from the areas they set up camp, they need prison.

Every hotel I have worked in, we see it daily. The hotel I work at now we are too close to places that "help the homeless." The sports arena is 1/4 mile away and when not in use, the homeless camp behind it. Camps everywhere. I can identify a homeless person by their smell, hair, and shoes.

There is nothing compassionate about letting people live on the street or in a park.
 
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The Sound Guy said:
Everything happens for a reason. Sometimes the reason is that they are making bad decisions.
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Yep... bad decisions, choices... not choses. :rofl:

I know a gal who is getting back on her feet. In her 40's, she left an abusive relationship, stopped drinking alcohol, moved back with her parents who are raising her son that she had when she was in high school... her son is now a junior in high school, who has stopped going to class and is failing his classes. :(

She improved her credit score.

Saved up bought a car from a family member.

Found a room to rent... but because she has chosen to keep the dog that she and her parents adopted, she is paying 2/3 of her paycheck for the bedroom she is renting.

If not for her parents and her godmother, she would have been on the street.

Because of the dog, she could end up back on her parent's couch, or on the street. Her father just found out his cancer is back, stage 2 cancer. If he does not make it, the mother, son, and she will be in a dire situation. If she left the dog with her family, she could have cut her rent in half and actually have a savings account at this point of over $8000. She keeps saying she has to have the dog, even as people are finding places for her at half the cost if she does not have a dog.

We all are affected by our choices.
 
Sometimes there is truly a need, an unexpected and unpredictable need....but there are existing programs and facilities in place for most of these situations which provide short term relief. The larger issue is the need for long term assistance as a result self-inflicted harm from life long bad decisions, substance addiction, or mental illness. Generally speaking most Americans are only a few paychecks away from financial ruin, bad decisions and addiction doesn't improve those odds.
 
We would be wise to open institutions again that could serve those who are unable to take care of themselves due to mental problems. These people will never be able to even live in a room given to them by the government, let alone a home, if they don't have daily oversight. They are in peril because they can't and won't follow societal rules because they are not mentally fit.

I watch the street people everyday, and they are just not right. The drugs have a lot to do with it, however the mental instability is the overriding problem. The howling at the sky, crazy dancing, yelling at no one, running up to someone they don't know and punching them, fighting with anyone who walks past them... it is a mess.

Daily I have to ask them to leave our parking lot, stop rummaging through the trash, no, I don't have a restroom for them, no they can't eat breakfast with the guests, no they can't charge their phone, stop bathing in the pool and leave. It is exhausting.

The ones who are not mentally impaired are the crooks who are robbing the area they settle in, blind, and the police do nothing because they have been told to do nothing to the "homeless."
 
I'm a big believer in giving people in need a hand up, I've needed them a time or two myself.

Hand OUTS is a different matter. They accomplish almost nothing that isn't temporary.
 
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