Active Shooter, Mass Casualty Emergency in Lewiston, Maine

What we're doing in this country is clearly not working. However, I don't support banning any type of gun that is currently legal. The left would love to start down that path and would keep pushing until all were banned. Heck, even some on the right are weak on the 2nd amendment and would likely fold to media pressure and agree to banning guns ("take the guns first, then due process").

If someone is determined to kill others, they will find a way even if all guns disappeared overnight. The tools used in killings isn't the problem.
 
Boss 302 said:
It wouldn't. Here's an example: what was used to kill people in the federal building in Oklahoma City? That wasn't the only time explosives were used for that purpose. An elementary school was blown up back in 1927 in Bath, MI. Insurgents' favorite weapon in Iraq and Afghanistan was IEDs. They liked them because they were easy to make, and they didn't have to be close to them because they could be fired remotely or using a pressure plate. No telling how many terrorists have made it across our borders. This will most likely be their weapon of choice.
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My point exactly. Weapons like ARs might make killing a little more efficient, but they are not the root cause or the only means of killing.

At the root of all these killings is hate. And the hate is by design.
 
cptlo said:
What we're doing in this country is clearly not working. However, I don't support banning any type of gun that is currently legal. The left would love to start down that path and would keep pushing until all were banned. Heck, even some on the right are weak on the 2nd amendment and would likely fold to media pressure and agree to banning guns ("take the guns first, then due process").

If someone is determined to kill others, they will find a way even if all guns disappeared overnight. The tools used in killings isn't the problem.
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The shooter in Maine is said to have been mentally ill, hearing voices and having hallucinations. This is not the first time a mass shooter was mentally ill. The problem when people like this are known, they cannot be forced into a mental health facility against their will.
 
I may or may not agree that "civilians" may not need an AR....until they do. Take a look around the world and it shows the likelihood of one day possibly needing one increasing. Sure, a handgun or shotgun is normally sufficient to defend against a thug invader at close range but wouldn't be much use against threats armed with an AR or the equivalent from a distance. Having all handy is optimal and as far as loaded magazines "wearing" out from non-use, I've heard today's magazines hold up much better than the older type that did have the issues described. I never had any issues with mine before that dang incident, wish I had some now.
 
Good discussion. Agreed the weapon is not the cause of the atrocity. Do you think you can kill more people in five minutes with a semi auto long gun or a sharp stick?
 
Stonewall said:
Good discussion. Agreed the weapon is not the cause of the atrocity. Do you think you can kill more people in five minutes with a semi auto long gun or a sharp stick?
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Which is one reason I still actively train in various martial arts at my age. Mainly I used it as my fitness program because I'm too fat and old to run and I have disdain towards riding bikes, climbing stairs, walking, or lifting weights. Hypothetically, if I had any pew pews and they failed at least I know I have at least a minimum level of training in different type of other tools such as different blades, sticks, belts, and cane.

(My PSA for the day: Don't underestimate an old man with a walking cane, the pain that can be inflicted is hard to describe without experiencing it first hand.)
 
J-man said:
Which is one reason I still actively train in various martial arts at my age. Mainly I used it as my fitness program because I'm too fat and old to run and I have disdain towards riding bikes, climbing stairs, walking, or lifting weights. Hypothetically, if I had any pew pews and they failed at least I know I have at least a minimum level of training in different type of other tools such as different blades, sticks, belts, and cane.

(My PSA for the day: Don't underestimate an old man with a walking cane, the pain that can be inflicted is hard to describe without experiencing it first hand.)
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If half my guns hadn't been stolen and the other half had gone down to the bottom of Lake Lanier, I would most likely be spending some time at the range keeping my shooting skills up to speed. Damn, thieves and boating accidents.
 
Boss 302 said:
If half my guns hadn't been stolen and the other half had gone down to the bottom of Lake Lanier, I would most likely be spending some time at the range keeping my shooting skills up to speed. Damn, thieves and boating accidents.
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Sounds like we all need to take boating lessons.
 
The TrophyWife yesterday said:

"We need to buy a shotgun, a 12-gauge.... no, I think we need to buy two shotguns; one for you and one for me."

Dang, it sounds like she might want to square-off.

I think I might be worried.
 
Stonewall said:
Never mind. Apparently the killing of multiple people is just fodder for bad humor. MAGA! I digress.
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I think it's just the fact that we can't stop this kind of thing and still keep our rights.

Best way to stop this?

Make everyone carry, make them all take govt training courses on safety and the law before they do so.

Make it the law that the first one that pulls a firearm without physical contact to anyone, is legal fair game. If you are going to pull it, you better have a good reason.

The hotheads would die quickly and we'd have a much more peaceful and safe society.
 
Joking aside, as I’ve said several times killers will kill regardless of whether it be by any type of pew pew or any other item at their disposal. It’s not the tool but the evil and/or sick person using it. Taking “Rights” away from law abiding U.S. citizens to hypothetically prevent the next evil incident isn’t the answer. On a more serious note, the civilians in Israel were probably wishing they had a long pew pew when the parachutes were in view.
 
We can't stop this at all, at least not in our lifetime. We'll need to reshape culture, instill into people respect for life, and get a far better grasp on mental illness.

There are probably some short-term things we can do that would help, but politicians are only interested in emotional things like gun control.
 
Joe Walker rushed the shooter with a butcher knife and was killed. That took a lot of courage. You can carry a handgun in Maine without a permit as long it is in view. Concealed weapons permits are issued by the state police there. Most likely nobody was carrying because the state has a very low crime rate. I wonder if that will change now.
 
Missed chances to stop this guy. The liberals need to quit trying to "normalize" mental illness, and "protecting" them and let law enforcement could do their job to protect us.


Cops were sent to Maine gunman’s home weeks before massacres amid concern he ‘is going to snap and commit a mass shooting’​


Sagadahoc County, MaineCNN —

The Maine National Guard asked local police to check on the reservist who killed 18 people after a soldier became concerned he would “snap and commit a mass shooting,” according to information shared with CNN.

Officers from the Sagadahoc County and Kennebec County Sheriff’s Offices responded and tried to contact Robert Card on September 16, less than six weeks before Wednesday’s massacres in a bowling alley and a bar, documents say, according to a law enforcement source.

The information obtained by CNN describes how the Sagadahoc County sergeant called for backup, tried without success to talk to the reservist and then received disturbing details from the Maine National Guard and the shooter’s family.

The responding sergeant from the Sagadahoc County Sheriff’s Office was told “when [he] answers the door at his trailer, in the past he usually does so with a handgun in hand out of view from the person outside,” according to the source familiar with the welfare check report.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/28/us/maine-shootings-sunday
The responding officer learned later in a letter from the National Guard that a fellow guardsman “is concerned that [the reservist] is going to snap and commit a mass shooting,” according to the report filed in connection with the wellness check.

The 40-year-old went on two shooting rampages in Lewiston, Maine, on Wednesday night, killing 18 people at Just-in-Time Recreation and at Schemengees Bar & Grille.

The initial panic was followed by 48 hours of fear and lockdown before he was found on Friday night, dead from an apparently self-inflicted gunshot wound, about 10 miles away.

CNN’s reporting raises new questions about the lack of follow-through to make sure the man was not a danger despite serious warning signs that were known by authorities and are now being detailed for the first time.

Maine has a “yellow flag” law that can be used to assess an individual with access to weapons. The first step is for law enforcement to take someone believed to be dangerous into custody and then have them evaluated by a medical professional. After a diagnosis, a judge can approve an order to temporarily remove firearms, according to the law.

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